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to try to extract DS10 from unhealthy friendship

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LaMaG · 26/06/2023 21:27

DS10 has aspergers, and quite typically is intellectual, speaks with adult vocabulary and can talk endlessly about a preferred topic. He has dyspraxia so cant do much sports wise so between this and some stimming behaviours and a tendency to get upset about rules, you can imagine he finds it hard to keep friends, although he is not unpopular as he is very funny.

There is a kid H who lives a few doors up that is DS's BF since they were little and they have common interests. I'll be honest, I never liked H, he is loud and obnoxious and has been rude to me, but DS always enjoyed him so we have a very open door policy. H hangs out here a lot as he is the eldest of a large family, whereas DS is my youngest. His parents seem quiet but nice and his mother has always been really grateful for allowing him to be here. As the years have gone by it became apparent H has some sort of SEN and DS told me he goes on breaks with SEN team but not at the same time as him. H's behaviour is often strange and inappropriate but I make allowances. Sometimes he loses his temper and shouts at DS, then runs home and occasionally he has hit him on the arm. I have berated him for this and on occasion DS has told him he doesn't want to play today as he was hit etc but hours later DS wants to call and tell him something so off he goes. I was glad DS had a friend so figured he must be ok with this.

There is a class bully (isn't there always), with a group of minions who laugh along. He is not a violent angry kid, more of the type to pull your hat off and throw it around and say he was only joking, you know the type. Lately he has been targeting DS and it only became apparent recently it was much more serious and constant than I realised. I have now learned H is part of his gang, laughing along and calling DS names, then he calls over here after school like nothing happened. I know for a fact last year H had a very hard time with the same bully so I feel on some level its a case of protecting himself and joining in.

I recently had a meeting with the school about the bullying stuff and they mentioned that H was the kid they had most issue with. They keep him away from DS as he hits him a lot and shouts at him, they also intentionally do not take breaks together. They were really shocked the boys are friends outside school, they found it hard to understand why DS tolerated this. I was shocked too, and now I'm not sure what to do. I feel bad I didn't know and recognise the issues sooner.

Should I let DS choose his own friends, do I tell H why we think he needs to back off until he changes his behaviour, or do I have a frank discussion with H's mother. I'm so confused. All advice much appreciated.

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Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 26/06/2023 21:35

how well do you know his mother? it sounds like you've known her for many years, and you could at least start a conversation by reporting some of what the school has told you?

Gettingfleeced · 26/06/2023 21:43

Definitely speak with the child's mother!

ThunderStormPlease · 26/06/2023 21:46

Go round and speak to the child's mother, and tell her H is no longer allowed in your home due to his behaviour.

You need to protect your son.

Sunnydaysaredefhere · 26/06/2023 21:48

Imo this is where you become that helicopter parent we all hate! Sounds like neither can navigate friendships unsupervised.. My ds 14 has ASD. He had issues managing friends and phone chats so we took phone away for a few months until he was better ready. Was about 11 .. Came across as rude and awful tbh! He picks a mate. Lasts a few months. Then another. And so on. If we had realised at 10/11 he had big issues we would have handled it better...

StrawberryWater · 26/06/2023 21:48

I think I'd be closing my open door policy for a while to be honest. Protect your son. Let H's parents deal with him (and yes I'd be having words with them).

LaMaG · 27/06/2023 14:09

Thanks all for your replies. Yes i think I need to start with the other mum. I dont know her that well, she has had 3 babies since so she is always busier than me. We have never openly discussed our kids issues but I know my DS has told H he has autism and I'm guessing Mum knows. She has never told me about his SEN needs but knowing we are both on the same page on some level should help. Her child is also starting the preschool where I work in Sept so I need to tread carefully there too.

I guess on some level I felt having 1 friend was better than none, and I hope that I don't push away someone who "gets" my quirky little boy, but staying friends would damage his self esteem more long term. Its a tricky one.

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Lacucuracha · 27/06/2023 14:36

Your son is too young to advocate for himself here so you need to step up and stop this boy coming to your house.

I wouldn't even want to look at the little shit's face.

glast · 27/06/2023 14:42

I agree keep this boy out of your house. If he is joking in picking on him in school, he is no real friend. And your son being autistic is going to be vulnerable to unhealthy friendships anyway.

It sounds so similar to a situation my ds8 is in, he is also autistic, Asperger's type, and has a friend who is exactly the same. But he is so manipulative, falls out with him several times a week over very silly things, then will blackmail him in order to become friends again. Example 'I'll be your friend if you give me all your robux' etc
Ds has finally learnt to stay away from him now, all he was doing was teaching him he basically had to beg someone to be his friend!
He would say 'your mom hates you' 'your mom is fat' really nasty things, then try and FaceTime him later on to play Roblox.

Berthatydfil · 27/06/2023 15:03

Im not so sure about informing the mum. My mantra was never to approach the other parent and leave it to the school. I assume that school have been keeping her informed of his issues and behaviour in school.
As you are also neighbours and she is also going to be a client of your workplace this is another reason I wouldn't approach her directly. However next time he knocks the door you could say something like “Mrs Teacher has been telling me that you and Ring leader and some other boys have been unkind to DS in school so I really don’t think its a good idea for you and DS to play today” and shut the door. He might go back home and tell his mother which may prompt her to yell him he can gang up with bullies in school and then expect to be friends outside of school.

Weal · 27/06/2023 15:08

I think you need to protect your son as it seems that he isn’t able to have clear boundaries. Sounds like the behaviour of the other lad has proper crossed the line and not just been on the edge.

I think a talk with your son, maybe with someone at school, might be helpful. Explain this lad cannot come in the house if he is going to harm in and that you need to protect him.

Id put extra massive effort into trying to foster any other relationships he has. Is there a child who might also become a friend if he were invited to your home, are there clubs he can join to get social interaction?

I can understand the reluctance to stop the one friend he has…but maybe no friends is better than one abusive friend.

DemonicCaveMaggot · 27/06/2023 15:17

I would talk to your DS about what makes a good friend and how to be a good friend and what is abuse. This boy is not a good friend. He is cycling between being nice and nasty depending on what he wants, which is selfish.

IMO it is better to have no friends than an abusive friend. One situation is neutral, the other entirely negative.

I would stop him coming around and I would tell him why - that he has been calling your DS names and hitting him at school, and he doesn't get to do that and then pretend to be his friend out of school just because he wants someone to play with.

One of my DC is autistic and finds it easier to socialize based around an acitivity like a handicraft or Dungeons and Dragons. Is there anything your DS enjoys like chess, or art, that he could join a group for?

Purpleboat · 27/06/2023 15:17

I would normally suggest letting your DC find his own way with friends, but in light of his needs and what the school has informed you I would prioritise keeping your home a safe space for DS.
I would stop the open door policy. If school are already dealing with it there I’m not sure I would approach H’s mum. She might be reasonable, she might not, but if the school are aware I doubt she isn’t and I don’t think you sharing concerns is going to suddenly spring her into action.
Is there no clubs that DS could join where he could bond with others in a similar interest?
I’m so sorry your DS is going through this and an awful position for you too.

DemonicCaveMaggot · 27/06/2023 15:21

Are there any groups local to you where neurodivergent children can practice their social skills on each other? I have noticed nearly all my autistic adult DD's friends are also neurodivergent. They understand each others needs for things like stimming better than NT people and don't have the expectations for eye contact etc. that NT do.

glast · 27/06/2023 15:42

DemonicCaveMaggot · 27/06/2023 15:17

I would talk to your DS about what makes a good friend and how to be a good friend and what is abuse. This boy is not a good friend. He is cycling between being nice and nasty depending on what he wants, which is selfish.

IMO it is better to have no friends than an abusive friend. One situation is neutral, the other entirely negative.

I would stop him coming around and I would tell him why - that he has been calling your DS names and hitting him at school, and he doesn't get to do that and then pretend to be his friend out of school just because he wants someone to play with.

One of my DC is autistic and finds it easier to socialize based around an acitivity like a handicraft or Dungeons and Dragons. Is there anything your DS enjoys like chess, or art, that he could join a group for?

This is good advice

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 27/06/2023 16:35

glast · 27/06/2023 15:42

This is good advice

Agree. Its good advice. Protect your son.
You don't have to make a fuss about it.

End the open door policy. Make it clear.
Particularly because the summer holidays are coming up. Make plans for the holidays. "sorry we are having a family day out that day."
This boy is not his friend, particularly if he's supplying the bullys information to use against your son and this has to stop. I think you've rightly allowed him a chance to be friends, but only you can judge really if this has backfired and if he will renew his friendship or continue bullying. You will have to judge if you think this boy can pull back from that.

But getting your DS into some afterschool activities ( so that school isn't everything) even just swimming or a post-school picnic or anything that keeps him occupied and happy.

See if there are any friends in his class who would like to meet up in the holidays even if its just a quick trip to the park. I'd also offer to take a small group to the cinema or a swim and drop home - that sort of thing. Where they are busy and distracted. Maybe a summer sports club? Cousins?
Basically just lots of different people to dilute his current experience and lessen this bully group's influence and increase your son's confidence.
Hopefully the summer break will really help. good luck

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