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To think it’s not right to bring a baby up as a vegetarian?

276 replies

veggiesup · 24/06/2023 08:56

Surely a baby/child should have all food available until they can make their own decisions?

OP posts:
itsmellslikepopcarn · 27/06/2023 15:26

greenstrawberry · 26/06/2023 16:22

Couple of interesting points from the article I linked above about dairy / osteoporosis:

"A 12 year long Harvard Nurses’ Health Study found that those who consumed the most calcium from dairy foods broke more bones than those who rarely drank milk. This is a broad study based on 77,761 women aged between 34 and 59 years of age."

And

“Consumption of dairy products, particularly at age 20 years, was associated with an increased risk of hip fracture in old age. (“Case-Control Study of Risk Factors for Hip Fractures in the Elderly”. American Journal of Epidemiology. Vol. 139, No. 5, 1994)."

And

“The countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis are the ones where people drink the most milk and have the most calcium in their diets. The connection between calcium consumption and bone health is actually very weak, and the connection between dairy consumption and bone health is almost non-existent.”
– Amy Lanou Ph.D., nutrition director for the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine in Washington, D.C.

All of this.

Why milk from another animal that isn’t even made for us would be apparently so pivotal to our health is beyond me. The industries feed everyone lies to make money.

Otherland · 27/06/2023 17:12

user9630721458 · 26/06/2023 13:01

@Otherland Good to know your kids are fine. Do you mind sharing what sort of meals/snacks they eat? I can't imagine what I would feed my kids without resorting to the fake cheeses and processed alternatives, or soya products which aren't great for the environment. They refuse tofu as well!

My two usually have a fresh smoothie with breakfast, which sets them up for the day. Bananas always, soya milk, then various berries, sometimes a block of frozen spinach, some chia seeds, a sprinkling of some power powder (acai, superfood type stuff - varies daily), blitz and serve.
They usually have cereal or porridge for breakfast, with another banana chopped into it.

They both love fruit, snacks are usually strawberries, blueberries, grapes, melon.

They will occasionally have a cheese toasty, but go through phases of liking them then going totally off them.
If they aren't having them, they might have pitta with houmous. They have avocado toast once, or occasionally twice a week.

Main meals are:

  • Pasta with Beyond Meat mince (a favourite, probably have this twice a week). Will chuck a block or two of frozen spinach in too, plus a tomato pasta sauce. Usually a whole bulb of garlic, plus a pepper.
  • Burgers (not often, maybe once every ten days. Not against them for health reasons, they just don't fancy them often)
  • curry (varies between Indian and Thai) usually chickpeas or lentils plus veg
  • roast dinner every other Sunday (I only have them EOW, I don't know what their father gives them on his weekends, but he's vegan too, so will be something healthy and vegan). I don't usually bother with a fake meat "joint" or nut roast - they mainly just like the roast potatoes and roasted carrots, plus broccoli, peas etc. And loads of gravy.
  • home made soup (usually tomato)
  • pizza (once a month-ish treat out at Pizza Express or Hut, or extra if I have vouchers)
  • falafel
  • fajitas
  • jacket potatoes with baked beans

We don't use much replica meat apart from the mince for pasta, and the occasional burger.

Otherland · 27/06/2023 17:15

Otherland · 27/06/2023 17:12

My two usually have a fresh smoothie with breakfast, which sets them up for the day. Bananas always, soya milk, then various berries, sometimes a block of frozen spinach, some chia seeds, a sprinkling of some power powder (acai, superfood type stuff - varies daily), blitz and serve.
They usually have cereal or porridge for breakfast, with another banana chopped into it.

They both love fruit, snacks are usually strawberries, blueberries, grapes, melon.

They will occasionally have a cheese toasty, but go through phases of liking them then going totally off them.
If they aren't having them, they might have pitta with houmous. They have avocado toast once, or occasionally twice a week.

Main meals are:

  • Pasta with Beyond Meat mince (a favourite, probably have this twice a week). Will chuck a block or two of frozen spinach in too, plus a tomato pasta sauce. Usually a whole bulb of garlic, plus a pepper.
  • Burgers (not often, maybe once every ten days. Not against them for health reasons, they just don't fancy them often)
  • curry (varies between Indian and Thai) usually chickpeas or lentils plus veg
  • roast dinner every other Sunday (I only have them EOW, I don't know what their father gives them on his weekends, but he's vegan too, so will be something healthy and vegan). I don't usually bother with a fake meat "joint" or nut roast - they mainly just like the roast potatoes and roasted carrots, plus broccoli, peas etc. And loads of gravy.
  • home made soup (usually tomato)
  • pizza (once a month-ish treat out at Pizza Express or Hut, or extra if I have vouchers)
  • falafel
  • fajitas
  • jacket potatoes with baked beans

We don't use much replica meat apart from the mince for pasta, and the occasional burger.

Sorry, meant to add, they do occasionally have biscuits and crisps and co-op donuts, it's not all pure health.

Both are really sporty and choose not to indulge much, as they both prefer to be as fit as possible for their sports.

LuciferRising · 27/06/2023 17:27

With tofu - you can blend a silken block then stir it into curry or pasta sauces. It adds protein.

Ramens are good. Fill with noodles, veg and protein like edamame (we fry off tofu coated with corn flour).

Bean chillis are great.

Arewehumanorarewecupboards · 27/06/2023 17:36

Op didn’t come back then? 😂

I remember getting a lot of abuse when mine were younger (vegetarian) for forcing my beliefs onto them but this was usually said by people who fed their children chicken nuggets, Billy bear ham and loads of other bizarre foods that have no nutritional value. It was meat so they must have it because that’s just what you do.

Out of 4 now adult dc one does now eat meat and that’s their choice. They are all happy and healthy despite their cruel mother forcing them into being vegetarian.

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 18:37

I think it is unfair to bring up a child as a vegetarian. They should have a varied balance diet, until they are able to make up their own minds.

Shroedy · 27/06/2023 18:53

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 18:37

I think it is unfair to bring up a child as a vegetarian. They should have a varied balance diet, until they are able to make up their own minds.

And again, despite it having been said on repeat on this thread, why is meat eating the default until a child gets to decide if they want to eat meat or not? It's no more valid to hold off until that choice is available to them than to feed them meat.

Hint: there is no reason at all.

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 18:54

Do some medical research

GCalltheway · 27/06/2023 19:03

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 18:37

I think it is unfair to bring up a child as a vegetarian. They should have a varied balance diet, until they are able to make up their own minds.

Your username says it all!
Such limited thinking

greenstrawberry · 27/06/2023 19:14

@Brexiteermorons a vegetarian or vegan diet can absolutely be a varied and balanced diet.

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 19:19

There are many health warning against veganism for babies.

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 19:25

I have three friends, two vegetarian and one vegan. All three feed their babies a diet with meat and animal products. They all say it is up to their children, to make their own decisions, when they are old enough and not for them to inflict their views on them. Resorting to insults says a lot

greenstrawberry · 27/06/2023 19:30

Raised as a veggie since birth I am absolutely happy that my parents never inflicted meat on me, in fact I have gone on to become mostly plant based way beyond vegetarianism. I am so glad that I have never been forced to eat meat.

It works both ways.

Otherland · 27/06/2023 20:21

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 19:19

There are many health warning against veganism for babies.

Who from? The dairy industry?!

Arewehumanorarewecupboards · 27/06/2023 20:40

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 18:37

I think it is unfair to bring up a child as a vegetarian. They should have a varied balance diet, until they are able to make up their own minds.

You can have a perfectly varied and balanced diet as a vegetarian. What nutrients do you think are missing?

Simonjt · 27/06/2023 20:42

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 19:25

I have three friends, two vegetarian and one vegan. All three feed their babies a diet with meat and animal products. They all say it is up to their children, to make their own decisions, when they are old enough and not for them to inflict their views on them. Resorting to insults says a lot

Having a child eat meat is inflicting their views on their child, as their view is that children should eat meat.

Arewehumanorarewecupboards · 27/06/2023 20:45

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 19:25

I have three friends, two vegetarian and one vegan. All three feed their babies a diet with meat and animal products. They all say it is up to their children, to make their own decisions, when they are old enough and not for them to inflict their views on them. Resorting to insults says a lot

And I think that it is up to my children to make their own decisions, when they are old enough.

Me deciding where in the world to live is inflicting my views on my children.

Me deciding on where we holiday is inflicting my views on my children.

Me deciding what pets we have is inflicting my views on my children.

I get to decide what I food I buy, cook and serve because I am the adult.

Mine are now grown and as I’ve already said, one decided to eat meat which was their choice. Why is your (and your friends) decision about what you feed your children superior to what I decided to feed mine?

Shroedy · 27/06/2023 20:55

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 19:19

There are many health warning against veganism for babies.

A) this thread was about vegetarianism not veganism

B) whilst a lot harder and not something I would choose, any warnings are about how careful you need to be. There is no warning that it is not possible to raise a healthy vegan child.

Shroedy · 27/06/2023 20:58

Brexiteermorons · 27/06/2023 19:25

I have three friends, two vegetarian and one vegan. All three feed their babies a diet with meat and animal products. They all say it is up to their children, to make their own decisions, when they are old enough and not for them to inflict their views on them. Resorting to insults says a lot

Your three friends choices are no more and no less than the choices of three people. And provide no evidence relevant to this discussion.

user9630721458 · 27/06/2023 21:05

@Otherland Thank you so much for the food and recipe ideas! Sounds so delicious and healthy. I will try a few of these ideas out on my 3, they will definitely go for the smoothies x

AliceMay55 · 27/06/2023 21:38

My dad’s side of the extended family are all strict vegetarians. They all ended up fine !!

LoopyLoo1991 · 28/06/2023 02:28

BUT a child should not be made to eat food they do not want to eat. Full stop. End of.

I was in foster care for ages & different families over that time.
One lady insisted I eat dried apricots 'to help me go to the toilet'. So three times a day, dried bloody apricots for over two bloody years. About age 7 to almost 10.

They weren't veggie but did have some odd food ideas. Good fosterers overall but just strange with toilet stuff, wearing non cotton clothing (no shellsuits etc) and some TV things (no cop shows or James Bond).

To this day I can't look at dried fruit or not dried apricots, plums, nectarines etc.
Can eat tinned peaches and other normal fruit.
Luckily next family were Afro-Carribbean and ate wide variety of dishes and you could eat what you wanted so long as you ate a good portion. Also lead to me loving spiced stuff.

Kids past the age of five or so should be given option of choosing non vegetarian foods.

GCalltheway · 28/06/2023 11:08

Being forced to eat apricots every day is child abuse, eating a huge, varied vegetarian diet in all its splendour is pure common sense and sound informed choices for health reasons as much as anything else. A veggie diet is mow enriching and so diverse and certainly not a hardship!

I can see why you might feel sensitive to any restrictions though, given what had happened to you.

LoopyLoo1991 · 28/06/2023 13:32

Thanks. My childhood was a bit of nightmare and extended into my 20s with various issues.

GCalltheway · 28/06/2023 13:34

LoopyLoo1991 · 28/06/2023 13:32

Thanks. My childhood was a bit of nightmare and extended into my 20s with various issues.

I am so sorry for that, it sounds horrendous and understandable that you need to have full food choices. I wish you the best 💐 and hope your future is much happier.

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