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Teacherless classrooms with kids running amok in schools buildings that are crumbling

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noblegiraffe · 14/06/2023 23:52

....that's where we're at in education, after 13 years of Conservative rule.

Ed Dorrell thinks that the state of schools could be a big election issue.

I fucking hope so.

https://capx.co/could-the-looming-schools-crisis-become-a-big-election-issue/

Could the looming schools crisis become a big election issue? - CapX

Received wisdom tells us that schools will not be a core electoral issue when Rishi Sunak goes to the country, probably next year. Most education policy wonks and pollsters (I am both) are at pains to explain that we shouldn’t expect a repeat of Tony B...

https://capx.co/could-the-looming-schools-crisis-become-a-big-election-issue/

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swallowedAfly · 16/06/2023 08:26

Funnily enough schools don’t advertise to parents or visitors that their school has been advised by the dfe that their main building is at risk of collapse. Nor is it a visible issue till it’s too late.

Schools that have been advised of this have been told it’s their responsibility to source and fund specialist surveyors to inspect the buildings from their existing budgets (when they’re already sacking tas and not able to meet the needs of students with ehcps let alone all the other additional needs).

The idea that you’d know as a parent or visitor is deluded. The majority of staff don’t know. Similarly schools don’t tell parents they’ve got non specialists teaching core subjects long term and they’re having to give fixed term contracts to teachers they wouldn’t touch with a barge pole if they weren’t the only person who applied after two full terms of advertising a position.

Behaviour issues can be covered up in various ways too.

HidingInAForest · 16/06/2023 09:45

Absolutely this. They just think their child is taught by a different teacher on Fridays, not that that is in fact a TA. Or afternoons/whatnot.

I applied for a term teaching A level in my subject they wanted me to covers history/english and a bit of maths. This is secondary...

swallowedAfly · 17/06/2023 10:19

I’ve had to fight like mad to ‘only’ teach my specialist subject next year. Sick to death of all the extra work required to teach new subjects you have no qualifications in when you have high standards and care about the quality of students education.

Once they know you can and will deliver decent non specialist teaching it’s hard to stop being used as a gap filler if they value your specialism less than others. There’s no thought to fairness or workload or burnout now ime. Just plug the holes as best you can today even if it’s likely to sink the whole ship down the line.

Timetabling season for next year currently so particularly focused on how current state of education makes waiting for your timetable a stressful nightmare.

freeandfierce · 17/06/2023 10:40

In FE lots of teachers are being made redundant due to low student numbers. The college I work for is in the process of closing down departments and about 20 teachers are currently in the redundancy process. I fear for the future and the skills we are losing for our future workforce. Most upsetting is the closure of our SEND department.

Changechangechanging · 17/06/2023 11:09

My school sent out a list yesterday of what our current year 12s are intending to apply for at university. With one exception, all were STEM subjects or subjects with an obvious, likely well-paid, job at the end of it (eg. Real Estate management or somrthing along those lines). One student looking to do a degree in English. No history, geography, languages. As a linguist, I am aware of a number of universities who have closed their language departments in recent years, so low the demand has been.

We see thread after thread on here about how people who are struggling should work harder/should have worked harder at school/ should change careers. We have to pay for our education so studying for studying sake is no longer an option: you do a degree with a job at the end. Years of STEM promotion coupled with poor societal attitudes towards studying the arts and humanities ensures fewer graduates from which to pick as teachers. And this site shows how little we value teachers anyway.

The current crisis in education is undoubtedly fuelled by Tory austerity and clear apathy towards educating the masses. But it has also been a long time in the making with the promotion of STEM, the student loan and fee paying system and a political apathy amongst the British people that has sealed our fate. Our future depends on good quality, balanced education with tolerance and repsect for all disciplines and subjects. There is room for everyone, not just the STEM subjects, and not just ridiculously high earners.

To put it in perspective. My eldest child.is graduating with a 2:1 in cybersecurity, networking and all things IT related. His first job pays more than I am earning as an experienced teacher with responsibilities.

noblegiraffe · 17/06/2023 11:16

freeandfierce · 17/06/2023 10:40

In FE lots of teachers are being made redundant due to low student numbers. The college I work for is in the process of closing down departments and about 20 teachers are currently in the redundancy process. I fear for the future and the skills we are losing for our future workforce. Most upsetting is the closure of our SEND department.

Is that lower student numbers across the board (in which case, where are those kids going instead?), or lower student numbers taking particular subjects meaning those courses are no longer viable?

Closing your SEND department is shocking, how can that be justified???

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LakieLady · 17/06/2023 11:16

CalistoNoSolo · 15/06/2023 09:03

What is relevant is that we have had 13 years of chronic under investment in education; a right wing media constantly undermining teachers, the value of education, anyone with a different opinion to the tory govt, anyone at university; a majority of the workforce who are just too up against it trying to stay afloat to protest/volunteer/afford private. Added to which our education system seems designed to discourage critical thinking and isn't even trying to produce a half decent workforce.

The whole thing is an utter shambles and needs to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch by people who actually know what they are doing. It should be a cross-party responsibility not confined to central govt. We're already seeing the results of lack of NHS reform and investment and its bloody terrifying. There is a time lag with education:workforce but its coming and its going to be equally bad.

Quoted for truth, @CalistoNoSolo .

The lack of investment in maintaining school buildings is really shortsighted, and I'm sure it ends up costing more in the long run. The more a building is allowed to deteriorate, the more expensive it will cost to fix.

But lack of investment in teaching can ruin the lives and prospects of children and young people, and that's not fixable.

noblegiraffe · 17/06/2023 11:22

The lack of investment in maintaining school buildings is really shortsighted, and I'm sure it ends up costing more in the long run. The more a building is allowed to deteriorate, the more expensive it will cost to fix.

I know it's a similar situation in the NHS. Hospitals falling apart.

This government has really fucked things up. Austerity just meant not investing in things that really need investment to keep running. And now the wheels are falling off.

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Scattery · 17/06/2023 17:08

noblegiraffe · 17/06/2023 11:22

The lack of investment in maintaining school buildings is really shortsighted, and I'm sure it ends up costing more in the long run. The more a building is allowed to deteriorate, the more expensive it will cost to fix.

I know it's a similar situation in the NHS. Hospitals falling apart.

This government has really fucked things up. Austerity just meant not investing in things that really need investment to keep running. And now the wheels are falling off.

100% this.

My y10's DT classes have all been managed by supply teachers for over a term because his teacher left to go to a private school.

My y7's geography teacher left mid-year and a different teacher from another department is now handling those classes.

My friend's y10 has to hand their school-issued laptop in, due to lack of funding. Right before the GCSE year. She's also not had a fixed math teacher all year, it's been covered by supply or other teachers and because they're top-set they're expected to just crack on with it.

I know all this is anecdotal, and I'm not a teacher, only a parent, but everything I keep hearing makes me deeply worried. I knew decades ago that most of the Tories in power don't give a flying fuck about education because they send their kids private. What I didn't foresee is that there's been absolutely zero accountability for politicians who fuck up, which creates an apathy that honestly scares me.

fuzzyduck1 · 17/06/2023 17:13

Who cares about the state of the schools?
if parents cared they could go in and do something about it but as they just want it all done for them they get what they have.

this has made me more determined NOT to vote Labour

RosettaTheGardenFairy · 17/06/2023 17:30

I can't believe it's teachers and school staff complaining about the state of education in the UK rather than parents. Why are parents not screaming about this? Why are parents accepting this state of education and ignoring teachers and their concerns? Why are parents grumbling about TAs and toilet breaks?

Your children are being screwed. The job of parents is to advocate for your children. Stop standing on the sidelines complaining about strike days and demand your children get the safe, consistent, motivating education they deserve.

Parents should be shouting loudest about this; this should be a massive joint effort.

*I'm not in the UK so my kids don't have this experience, but I've enough teacher friends still in the UK to know big improvements are needed

Keep going @noblegiraffe, your threads are worth attention

noblegiraffe · 17/06/2023 17:30

Interesting that you said “not vote Labour” and not “vote Conservative”.

Not that batshit.

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 17/06/2023 18:08

fuzzyduck1 · 17/06/2023 17:13

Who cares about the state of the schools?
if parents cared they could go in and do something about it but as they just want it all done for them they get what they have.

this has made me more determined NOT to vote Labour

This makes absolutely no sense. The parents are at work or dealing with their caring responsibilities for other children or older family members or family members with disabilities, @fuzzyduck1! Even if they weren't, we've had free education for children funded by taxpayers in the UK for nearly 150 years. The Victorians and Edwardians saw the benefit in that in spite of being extremely averse in general to paying taxes. Are you seriously suggesting we should forget that now and only parents/carers who can either pay school fees or go in and work in schools unpaid should be able to count on their children getting an education? Have you thought about what that would do to the UK's economy and the risks to the cohesion of our society if a substantial number of children from lower income families leave school functionally illiterate and innumerate?

It's an obvious point, but you can bet your bottom dollar that Rishi Sunak's daughters are not being affected in this way.

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