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Aibu to not understand my marriage

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Generationalcycle · 13/06/2023 12:31

Hi all,

Its important for me to start off by saying that my experience of relationships growing up was not good. I was neglected as a child and my father was absent. My mother had a few confusing relationships and as a teenager and young adult I had many unhealthy relationships myself. My poor mum suffered childhood abuse and neglect herself and her mum also had a string of dysfunctional relationships. I am aware this makes me sensitive to any red flags or anything slightly uncomfortable in my own marriage. I am the person who is going to break this generational cycle. I have daughters so it’s very important to me that I model the best I can for them.

My dh is a good person. He is hard working and he dedicates his life to us. He very rarely does anything for himself and does more than 50% of household stuff including mental load.
However, he is a man of few words. He has always been a introvert and a quiet person. He is not a great communicator and I have accepted this as he has lots of other great qualities.
What I can’t make sense of of why I feel there is something not right in my marriage and if it’s my expectations are off. I have never in my life observed what a healthy relationship looks like. So this has me thinking it’s me.
I have asked for a divorce any my reasons are:
Dh is always doing stuff at home but never actually present with me and the dc. He literally spends 99% of his time doing bits and bobs around the home but it never feels like he actually gets much done. It feels like he will find anything to do rather than spend quality time with us.
He appears miserable most of the time. I feel he does not enjoy family life. He says he is fine and he is just very busy. To me he’s a bit of a martyr. He tells me everything he does in his life is for me and the dc and he puts all his wants and feelings aside for us but I have told him I don’t see that in action and actually if it makes you so miserable that is counterproductive for the family and not doing anything good for us. I admit he does do lots but I wouldn’t say it’s abnormal for a man it woman with children.
He makes me feel like a burden. Like he has to dedicate his whole life to me and it’s a chore for him. He says this is not true but it really appears that it is. I said he acts like he’s my carer and I’m a burden to his life. I’m actually an independent person with a ‘big job’ and was a successful single parent before we met.
He has no patience for dc. He gets into back and forth arguments with them despite me discussing that it’s not the best action to unwanted behaviour and just escalates any meltdowns. He shows little warmth to any of us.
I feel he has contempt for me.
He will often question what I’m doing in a way that makes me feel like I’m lazy or again a burden. Like if I’m late for work he will ask what time I’m going but it’s just time that I find quite sneering if that makes sense.
If one of us is I’ll he says he takes care of us (mostly dc I can care for myself) but I don’t see it. I admit he will bring drinks etc but he seems switched off to any emotions or pain. He shows no sympathy when dc are poorly or having a hard time. To be fair he never rests when he is poorly and never complains even when he’s in pain. It feels like he expects people to just get on with it. When I discuss this with him he says he helps us by taking on more chores or practical things but I’d question the truth if that. It’s stuff he would do normally not extra. I’m not saying he does nothing fit me as when he can see I’m struggling he will pick up the slack but it takes for me to be on my knees before he will even if I have told him I’m heading that way.
He just seems so detached from us as a family.

I don’t know if I’m expecting too much or if these issues are me.
Has anyone experienced this?

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Equalitea · 13/06/2023 14:46

It sounds like neither of you are happy.

Lottapianos · 13/06/2023 14:52

Oh OP, that sounds so miserable for you. No it's not normal, it's not healthy, it's not what you have to expect in a relationship.

It sounds like maybe he's getting what he needs out of the relationship - the martyrdom, the busywork, the endless little jobs. I couldn't live like that though, and I'm not surprised you feel like a burden and like he's your carer. It's very sad and very worrying that you feel he responds to you with contempt sometimes. There seems to be no connection or intimacy or anything resembling fun between the two of you.

How did he respond when you said you wanted a divorce?

Aquamarine1029 · 13/06/2023 15:12

What you're experiencing is not normal and not healthy.

I feel he has contempt for me

This is an absolute deal breaker. Contempt has no place in a marriage.

Would you be open to marriage counseling if he were as well?

tt9 · 13/06/2023 16:20

maybe consider couples counselling before giving up? also, and I am not saying that you are doing this... when someone has faced the hardships you have... that person can become so scared of relationships going wrong/ending that they start to see problems as bigger and ending the relationship pre emptively as a defence mechanism. just something to think about.
also people have different love languages.... maybe for him it's doing things for you?

obviously you know best... as we are outside the situation

Generationalcycle · 13/06/2023 20:58

Thank you for reading and replying everyone.

When I told him I want a divorce he became defensive and laid blame on me saying it’s because I don’t care about him and that I don’t recognise all he dues for me. He made lots of excuses to hy certain situations had arose and denied some of the examples I gave saying it’s me who had taken it wrong and he meant no harm. He then became abrupt and disengaged. I haven’t had chance to speak to him since as I’m away for work.

I would consider counselling yes. I have not ask him this as I’m very much feeling done at the moment. I need space.

@tt9 it had crossed my mind about the defence mechanism you talk about and it definitely has been a factor in my past relationships.

I have always felt better on my own and this is probably a symptom of my past. I do love dh but I also prefer to be single.
I do think there are issues as people have said but I think I can be sensitive to any small issues and due to my past I want perfection for my dc.
We both focus all our energy and time in the dc and I suppose that has contributed to losing us as a couple. Again I pour everything into dc because of my past. I don’t over indulge them but I do everything to make sure they get the best parenting. I carry an enormous amount of guilt daily. It’s not healthy for anyone and I can see I need therapy.

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Generationalcycle · 13/06/2023 20:59

also yes to the love languages. Ours a very different. We actually did the quiz together once but haven’t been able to implement the others or anything.

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Generationalcycle · 13/06/2023 21:00

Sorry for spelling mistakes I’m working on a damaged phone while I wait for a replacement

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Chasingadvice · 13/06/2023 21:09

Hope you're okay OP.

shellcool · 13/06/2023 21:28

He sounds like my asd husband it's a boring life.

Generationalcycle · 13/06/2023 21:40

@Chasingadvice thank you I’m ok.

@shellcool yes it’s very boring. I crave intellectual connection and spontaneity. Someone to enjoy my company. I enjoy being single but I do enjoy connecting and conversation. To feel I’m ok to be around. I do have friends to connect with but it’s not the same, we are all leading busy lives.

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Generationalcycle · 13/06/2023 21:41

@shellcool do you do anything yourself to make up for it? Do you ever bring it up to him?

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Quitelikeit · 13/06/2023 21:47

I think you are being very hard on him in a way.

You have not said anything to convince me he is a bad guy

I think you are incompatible maybe?

Are they his kids? Does he work?

If you have a ‘big job’ why can’t you hire a cleaner?

the grass is greener where you water it

and talking about contempt well I think you ought to read your first post back

Generationalcycle · 13/06/2023 22:04

@Quitelikeit we have a cleaner. This is why I can’t see how he needs to be doing so many jobs. I’d struggle to actually see what he was doing for so long.

I can see what you mean re the contempt. I’m not saying I’m totally innocent.
I have a dc that is not his but her father passed away when she was a baby so he has raised her from a young age. We have dc together too.

Im not sure I know how to water the grass. I have tried to engage and make changes but I always end up feeling the same. Like I’m a burden and family life is not for him. I mean he does the practical things so maybe it is me.

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CreeperBoom · 13/06/2023 22:06

How did you wind up married to someone that you don't seem to like very much? Did something change, or was it always like this?

Quitelikeit · 13/06/2023 22:14

So are you saying he doesn’t spend any time chatting with the kids or asking how your day was?

Because when you say he looks after the house 50/50 that can be draining if he works full time? I mean he sounds amazing compared to plenty men on here

What are his parents like?

Has he changed then or do you think you have changed?

Do you have date nights? Do you ask hiM about his work?

Generationalcycle · 14/06/2023 00:02

No date nights as we don’t have any childcare.
No chatting as he is always doing stuff. I understand it’s draining but we have a cleaner so he does no cleaning apart from tidying and day to day bits. We share washing and looking after dc. We both ferry them about and I do most of the mental load in terms of dc while he does bills etc Hes an equal parent and we both work. He works more days than me but not more hours as I work very long days.

I do like him. It wasn’t always this way. He’s never been great at communicating but it’s gradually got worse as time has gone on. I’m not perfect either I acknowledge that.

I do try start conversations about our days but it’s very difficult as he does not have much to say and often says nothing or it’s one word answers. He doesn’t like hearing about my day at work because he says it’s negative, which it is because of the nature of my job is very stressful. He frequently walks away when I’m mid sentence or will sit and listen but say nothing so I then struggle with what to say next as there is no flow. I have discussed this with him but he says he has nothing to say and doesn’t feel it needs a response.

His parents are happily married as far as I can tell. They have been married a long long time. They are also quiet and introverted but get along fine. Never been aware of any issues in their relationship or his childhood. He has told me it was good and he felt cared for and happy. All seems pretty straight forward.

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FictionalCharacter · 14/06/2023 01:09

I think you have a very good insight into your relationship and I don't believe you're the problem. It's impossible to improve communication with someone who gives you one word answers and blames you for problems.
It sounds as though the relationship has run its course. It's sad but it happens. It's pointless trying to "water the grass" if the grass is completely dead - it won't come back to life.

ThirtyThrillionThreeTrees · 14/06/2023 01:51

It almost sounds like he is playing the role of what he thinks husband should be - a practical provider who takes care of the "man's" jobs in the home - as opposed to an equal & engaged partner.

Is there affection between you? Attraction etc? Was there and how/when did it change?

What are his other relationships like with siblings, friends, colleagues etc? Is this just who he is or is he just closed off with you?

I would suggest couples counselling but unless that improves things, it seems like you are done.

themodiste · 14/06/2023 02:01

How did you end up getting married? It can't have always been like this?

themodiste · 14/06/2023 02:01

Sorry - posted too soon. What changed and when, can you pinpoint it? Might be a starting point for marriage counselling if you do go down that route.

ButterflyOil · 14/06/2023 02:06

I grew up in a house with a parent who was always doing something, never sat still. Worked as well. My parent did so much - or at least seemed to. But there was no - talking, connecting, laughing, educational conversations, fun, warmth. She was never happy and I now know resented being a parent but covered it with always doing something. It was a pretty emotionally neglectful childhood tbh but it took ages to understand that as i’d gotten the impression she did so much. But you know, you can tell when someone is a bit taciturn vs takes no pleasure or joy in family life or a relationship.

And that’s quite soul destroying for all as you can’t even pinpoint what it is exactly as you then get the ‘but I did x and x and x’ response. But it’s not really a relationship- either in terms of a parenting one to the kids or to you, it’s sharing a space.

You can’t make him enjoy family life if he doesn’t.

user1492757084 · 14/06/2023 02:57

Your husband is an introvert.
He also does communicate some things that you choose not to hear.

He only enjoys positive stories about your work. You could try harder to remember some positive stories. Debrief with others.

He likes to stay practical and busy. You could compliment him on a few things. Would he enjoy a shed with tools to make furniture. Does he have a hobby?
Do you have a hobby that satisfies some of your needs for variety and happiness - a book club, a floral arrangement course ??
We are all responsible for our own happiness.

Is there anything you both enjoy together? - visiting relatives, Scrabble, walking the dog, fishing. If there is anything you should aim to do that regularly. Do you like driving out to see history?
I can't see anything wrong except boredom which can be remedied alone or together.
The change for your children would be so massive if you were to separate that I would not contemplate that.
In your situation I would enact my own powers in making myself happy as a start. Show your children how to be positive, busy, creative and content. Your husband enjoys pottering.

Barchestereader · 04/09/2023 16:15

Just so say that I'm not the person with this particular difficulty, but I think your response is fab!

Take care and thanks again.

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