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AIBU for not replacing a broken wine glass on holiday?

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OtterlyMad · 12/06/2023 11:05

My DH and I have just spent a week in a rural holiday cottage. We accidentally broke a wine glass while washing up on the last night of our trip, so we messaged the owner the next morning to let them know and apologise for the inconvenience.

After we checked out, we received a text from the owner complaining that it’s the norm to either replace breakages ourselves or leave a £5 note. Is everyone else aware of this “rule”?Because we weren’t! In fairness I don’t think we’ve ever broken anything in a holiday let before so no experience of this situation. Obviously if we’d damaged something big or stained a carpet or whatever then I would expect to reimburse them, but I suppose I assumed that breakages of small/cheap things like glassware, crockery etc. would be super common and therefore factored into the price. It’s also quite difficult to buy a singular wine glass. Would they not care about it matching the rest of their glassware? Or do you think they would expect a whole new set?

It got broken around 11pm and we had to check out before 10am the next morning, so frankly we wouldn’t have had time to buy a replacement even if we’d known that was the expectation. The rule wasn’t mentioned anywhere in the online listing or in the welcome pack. We also don’t tend to carry cash, so as above, couldn’t have left a £5 note even if we’d wanted to. Most irritating of all is that lots of the kitchen sets were already incomplete e.g. there were only 3 wine glasses to begin with (the property is advertised for 4 people). We didn’t mind as it was just the 2 of us, but it’s clear the owners don’t actually check and replace items that get lost/broken… makes me think we just shouldn’t have mentioned it. Too honest for our own good!

I feel guilty as we strive to be excellent guests, but I also think it’s a dumb rule and I’m annoyed that they’ve cast a shadow over our holiday for the sake of a £1.50 glass (especially as we paid over £500 for the cottage).

Did we act unreasonably?

YABU - the owner is right, and you should have carried change on you to leave in case of a breakage.
YANBU - the owner is being petty, a broken glass is normal wear and tear.

OP posts:
steppemum · 12/06/2023 14:43

TheBirdintheCave · 12/06/2023 14:34

At the last place we stayed my two year old accidentally broke a side plate so I wrote the owner a note explaining and left €10 on the table to cover a replacement IKEA set.

I would have felt so guilty not saying anything.

That was very nice of you, but can I reassure again from the perspective of someone who used to have a holiday let, that the owners EXPECT things ot get broken, and use plain white ikea etc precisely because it is easy to replace. In fact they probably have a box of spares.

So while it is lovely, please don't think you need to leave money for a whole new set!

OtterlyMad · 12/06/2023 14:45

LookItsMeAgain · 12/06/2023 13:39

I don't think breaking a glass goes in under the umbrella of 'normal wear and tear'.
They provide plates, cutlery and glass wear for their guests to use. If each guest broke just one glass and didn't leave some form of compensation, then after 6 or eight guests, they'd be out of glasses. Not normal wear and tear.

Also, lots of these places have a guest information pack (a printed folder with details of tv channels etc.) and usually in that it would include details of what to do if you do break something.

On this matter, I'm completely with the "arsey" owners who you disagree with @OtterlyMad. You should replace the glass.

You should know that if you break something, you should do your best at replacing it, in general. If a friend was visiting you and they broke one of your wine glasses, would you expect them to replace it or find a suitable replacement or pay for the breakage? I would.

As I said in the original post, there was no mention of breakages in the welcome pack. I’m happy to reimburse the owners via bank transfer - £5 is not a big deal after all - but I do think expecting holidaymakers to go out shopping for replacement items or to locate an ATM when the cottage is rural and they have to check out before 10am, is a bit unreasonable.

If a friend was visiting and broke one of my wine glasses of course I wouldn’t expect them to replace it or pay for it 😂 seriously?? Wtf. It’s a wonder how some people have friends at all!

OP posts:
2bazookas · 12/06/2023 14:45

@LookItsMeAgain · Today 13:39
I don't think breaking a glass goes in under the umbrella of 'normal wear and tear'.

Obviously you're not a LL.

Every LL expects a degree of wear and tear, minor breakages etc. Wine glasses and crockery are absolute classic examples. Most of us keep in reserve, a stock of matching-set spares for replacements.

TheChosenTwo · 12/06/2023 14:46

We leave a note with some money if we break anything (usually a glass or something), sometimes we stay as a group of up to 25, there have been some numbers of broken items, several glasses and mugs - nothing extremely irresponsible, just lots of drinks in places with small kids that aren’t our regular homes so things do get broken.
the money has always been gratefully received and we’ve never had any shitty comeback, it’s just the decent thing to do.
one year we broke a lamp when hoovering on the morning of departure, we left a note and they came back to us saying it was an antique lamp base and the value was £185 😂 whoops! We did pay but I did think why would you put an expensive (and frankly ugly) lamp in a holiday home, just whack out the cheap ikea crap, we don’t care! Anyway,
I do think it’s reasonable to leave a bit of cash to cover breakages, even though they’ll have a stock of them somewhere in one of the locked rooms of the house they still need replacing.

TonTonMacoute · 12/06/2023 14:47

We once arrived at a holiday let in France and the property manager turned up with 2 big IKEA bags, because the previous tenants had broken or taken so many things they had stripped half the kitchen!

Apparently this happens a lot in France, and the security deposit was about 200 euros. However, after we had stayed there a couple of times the manager only charged us 50 euros for the cleaning because we were good tenants.

NisekoWhistler · 12/06/2023 14:49

Ignore them, i they can't cope with a broken glass they're in the wrong business.

Rainydaysandicecream · 12/06/2023 14:52

Owner is being completely ridiculous. Forget about it now.

Rainydaysandicecream · 12/06/2023 14:54

I'm also a LL by the way, these sort of minor breakages are absolutely expected.

sandyhappypeople · 12/06/2023 14:56

SunnySaturdayMorning · 12/06/2023 12:02

Nope. You won’t leave a glowing review because you’re careless and don’t want to be called out on it.

There’s nothing wrong with their message to you, and no, I don’t own a holiday let nor am I “snooty”. I’m just a responsible person.

Okay, you didn’t know the rule. That doesn’t mean they were wrong in mentioning the usual done thing. You’re still wrong for being careless, damaging their property and then trying to claim
the moral high ground.

I think the point is, this ISN'T the usual done thing though, that is what OP is asking about? We stay at cottages at least 3 times a year and I've never heard this, the done thing is to inform the owners as any accidents happen and if they would like to be re-imbursed (very petty of them for a wine glass IMO) I'd expect them to mention it at that point.

I wouldn't be opposed to paying for breakages, but I wouldn't do it automatically.

Accidents happen.

Lacucuracha · 12/06/2023 14:57

They’re being ridiculous, wine glasses are 50p in Tesco.

CheeseCakeSunflowers · 12/06/2023 14:58

We stayed in a holiday cottage last week. This is a line from the welcome email the owners sent us a few days before our stay.
"We completely understand that breakages can happen however we would be grateful if you could inform us of any breakages so that we may arrange for replacements for the following guests. "
I think its correct to inform owners of breakages and although most will not expect compensation I would be prepared to pay a fair amount if requested. The £5 rule is not something I have ever heard of.

GracePalmer33 · 12/06/2023 15:05

@SunnySaturdayMorning you are outrageous!

GracePalmer33 · 12/06/2023 15:08

Jaxhog · 12/06/2023 12:11

It's all very well to call the landlord 'petty', but where does it end? Would you expect a hotel to overlook it?

No, if you break it, you replace it or pay for a replacement. End of.

I definitely would not expect to pay to replace a broken wine glass or water glass in a hotel.
I wouldn't pay to replace one in a restaurant. Small accidents like that happen. I have never been to a hotel that was trying to charge for a broken small item like that.

Spanielsarepainless · 12/06/2023 15:16

The cottage we use regularly says to tell the owners so they can get a replacement. I broke a mug and even though there was a hardware shop within fifty yards they didn't ask me to buy another.

Susuwatariandkodama · 12/06/2023 15:17

You can get them for 50p in a supermarket! 😂 I wouldn’t think anymore of it, it was an accident and you informed them.

GracePalmer33 · 12/06/2023 15:19

LookItsMeAgain · 12/06/2023 13:39

I don't think breaking a glass goes in under the umbrella of 'normal wear and tear'.
They provide plates, cutlery and glass wear for their guests to use. If each guest broke just one glass and didn't leave some form of compensation, then after 6 or eight guests, they'd be out of glasses. Not normal wear and tear.

Also, lots of these places have a guest information pack (a printed folder with details of tv channels etc.) and usually in that it would include details of what to do if you do break something.

On this matter, I'm completely with the "arsey" owners who you disagree with @OtterlyMad. You should replace the glass.

You should know that if you break something, you should do your best at replacing it, in general. If a friend was visiting you and they broke one of your wine glasses, would you expect them to replace it or find a suitable replacement or pay for the breakage? I would.

My god... would I expect a friend to pay me for a broken glass? Absolutely NOT! Cringe. Tacky. Tight.

TheMonstera · 12/06/2023 15:24

I think it was petty of them. It’s a glass. Pretty sure it wouldn’t cost £5 either.

Dh and I stayed in a cottage with family and 2 glasses broke - one whilst washing up, the other accidentally knocked off a coffee table by the dog. I just messaged the owner to apologise, she said not to worry as they always have spares.

weatherheather · 12/06/2023 15:38

Last time we stayed somewhere there was a breakages book - you just popped the breakage on there and it said don't worry if it's a glass/plate etc we understand - obviously if was something really expensive we'd have offered to pay it and they would have charged the insurance payment we had to pay!

UsingChangeofName · 12/06/2023 15:47

No, as most have said, it definitely isn't expected that you'd replace something like that. It comes out of the rent you have already paid. It is expected that the odd thing gets broken. You owner is being ridiculous.

thecatsthecats · 12/06/2023 15:50

ConstantlyConfusedBird · 12/06/2023 11:23

If you break it then you replace it? Why should they be out of pocket and not have enough glasses because you broke something that belongs to someone else in their property?

Because that's not how you run a business that is, in essence, about making sure your customers have a good, relaxing time.

You include a budget of, say, £10 breakages per visit. You include a reasonable deposit structure. You buy double of everything and sub in replacements as needed.

And you don't act like a penny pinching mardy arse because someone didn't follow unwritten rules. That's asking for a bad review, which is the last thing you want.

rookiemere · 12/06/2023 16:39

I've stayed in many holiday cottages. Cannot recall a single UK one that had written procedures for breakages.

Buildingthefuture · 12/06/2023 17:46

Am currently on holiday and did the same thing - broke a glass. Nothing in the welcome pack about breakages but I messaged the owner on the day that we were leaving, told her I’d done it, apologised and said I was going to leave 10 euros. She replied thanking me for telling her and that repayment wasn’t necessary, but I left it anyway. It was a beautiful apartment, someone had put a lot of care and attention into it and I didn’t want them to be out of pocket because I’m clumsy.

Zebedee55 · 12/06/2023 17:49

I broke a glass vase in a lodge and they sent me a bill for £20 to replace it. I couldn't be bothered to argue, so sent them the payment.

Jaxhog · 12/06/2023 17:50

So let me get this right: a broken wine glass is trivial, so what isn't? A broken table, a vase, a teapot? How about a smashed window or large carpet stain from red wine? It isn't up to you as the guest/tenant to make this decision; it's for the owner or landlord to decide what is 'trivial' Same with Hotels in my (extensive) experience of staying in Hotels etc. I

f you admit to the breakage, they will often say forget it. But that is THEIR decision. Not yours.

Elphame · 12/06/2023 18:01

OtterlyMad · 12/06/2023 11:05

My DH and I have just spent a week in a rural holiday cottage. We accidentally broke a wine glass while washing up on the last night of our trip, so we messaged the owner the next morning to let them know and apologise for the inconvenience.

After we checked out, we received a text from the owner complaining that it’s the norm to either replace breakages ourselves or leave a £5 note. Is everyone else aware of this “rule”?Because we weren’t! In fairness I don’t think we’ve ever broken anything in a holiday let before so no experience of this situation. Obviously if we’d damaged something big or stained a carpet or whatever then I would expect to reimburse them, but I suppose I assumed that breakages of small/cheap things like glassware, crockery etc. would be super common and therefore factored into the price. It’s also quite difficult to buy a singular wine glass. Would they not care about it matching the rest of their glassware? Or do you think they would expect a whole new set?

It got broken around 11pm and we had to check out before 10am the next morning, so frankly we wouldn’t have had time to buy a replacement even if we’d known that was the expectation. The rule wasn’t mentioned anywhere in the online listing or in the welcome pack. We also don’t tend to carry cash, so as above, couldn’t have left a £5 note even if we’d wanted to. Most irritating of all is that lots of the kitchen sets were already incomplete e.g. there were only 3 wine glasses to begin with (the property is advertised for 4 people). We didn’t mind as it was just the 2 of us, but it’s clear the owners don’t actually check and replace items that get lost/broken… makes me think we just shouldn’t have mentioned it. Too honest for our own good!

I feel guilty as we strive to be excellent guests, but I also think it’s a dumb rule and I’m annoyed that they’ve cast a shadow over our holiday for the sake of a £1.50 glass (especially as we paid over £500 for the cottage).

Did we act unreasonably?

YABU - the owner is right, and you should have carried change on you to leave in case of a breakage.
YANBU - the owner is being petty, a broken glass is normal wear and tear.

I treat all glasses as disposable.

Had you messaged me I'd have thanked you for letting me know and got another one out of the cupboard.

I actually don't like guests replacing them as they never match and I end up taking them down to the charity shop. I don't like mismatched glassware or china at the holiday let.