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To go nuclear about this and to hell with the consequences?!

99 replies

RamblingAroundTheInternet · 11/06/2023 23:03

To accuse a government legal body and local government organisation of corruption. I have been advised by 3rd parties this is what it is and it's pretty blatant. I will voice as 'concerns' but it will be obvious what I am accusing them of.

I am aware it won't change the outcome as we will lose the case anyway (final hearing still pending).

Slightly concerned about legal consequences to myself (can I be sued?) but I haven't got any money anyway so it's not like they will be able to get anything out of me.

Case is related to my DC and I have fought so long. To lose at the final hurdle because the case had been deliberately delayed is so unjust.

Planning to contact government ministers (from both parties) and related government organisations so at least it will have to be investigated.

AIBU or do I sound nuts?

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Fightyouforthatpie · 11/06/2023 23:09

You sound a bit nuts - what is the corruption? My understanding of corruption is someone making illicit money or acting beyond their proper powers?

Hankunamatata · 11/06/2023 23:10

It's very vague. I don't think anyone can advise

DojaPhat · 11/06/2023 23:11

Is this related to a failed application for a type of finance or support related to your child's health / development?

AnneLovesGilbert · 11/06/2023 23:11

How can anyone on here know?

Fairyliz · 11/06/2023 23:12

Well people will be able to give an opinion if you provide more details. Your post doesn’t really make sense.

JanglyBeads · 11/06/2023 23:13

What evidence do you have? Actual evidence?
No they wouldn't sue you unless you start taking out ads in locall newspapers.

tinkerbellvspredator · 11/06/2023 23:14

Without further info, it doesn't sound like "corruption" and alleging that would be unlikely to be taken seriously. However, writing to complain that you believe there has been a detriment (with details) to your family due to the actions of the government bodies (detail actions), and you would like a full explanation of why those actions were implemented, would be appropriate it all circumstances.

TrashyPanda · 11/06/2023 23:14

IME a letter from an MP to the body concerned has a swift response.

beckyre · 11/06/2023 23:14

I wouldn't be worried about implications of being sued, more that the government you are planing to publicly accuse of corruption are obviously capable of corruption to put you in jail if they wanted to
We've seen people on Twitter being arrested for nothing. Yours would be a bit more than that

Salvadoral · 11/06/2023 23:15

You don’t sound nuts at all but it’s impossible to advise with no details. Can you book a free initial consultation with a lawyer?

Ingrowncrotchhair · 11/06/2023 23:16

is this related to social services?

beckyre · 11/06/2023 23:17

Can't you find a way to use the information in your favour instead?
If your dc had missed out on something and you can prove that then I'd go down the blackmail route. I'd do anything for my dc

NeighbourhoodonWatch · 11/06/2023 23:17

Surely if you have a final hearing still to come you can raise your concerns there - in a non nuts way but factually - to get your points across?

TeaKitten · 11/06/2023 23:19

It’s way too vague to give any actual advice on.

gooseduckchicken · 11/06/2023 23:31

IME a letter from an MP to the body concerned has a swift response

I second this. It can resolve things quite quickly, particularly if your MP has a good relationship with the Govt Secretary involved. Otherwise, send an email to every MP and if even half them forward it on to department concerned, it will raise a flag.

If you make an official complaint, that complaint process has to run its course and nothing will actually be done about solving your problem. IME, the complaint process will only establish if procedures were followed, it won't resolve a crap outcome.

HarrietJet · 11/06/2023 23:40

beckyre · 11/06/2023 23:17

Can't you find a way to use the information in your favour instead?
If your dc had missed out on something and you can prove that then I'd go down the blackmail route. I'd do anything for my dc

You're advising op to blackmail a government legal body?

LangClegsInSpace · 11/06/2023 23:45

Voicing something as 'concerns' and making vague insinuations will not fly in court. It sounds like you don't really want to go nuclear, you want to go off half-cocked.

If you have irrefutable evidence then get legal advice and if it all looks good and worthwhile then go for it, but you will be required to provide evidence for any claims, however vague.

There's no harm in contacting your MP but no guarantee they will want to involve themselves.

Most importantly, don't lose sight of your child's best interests in all this. Keep your child's interests front and centre at all times, even if it sometimes means not pursuing an opportunity to be vindicated.

Eyes on the prize. Good luck!

Swrigh1234 · 11/06/2023 23:52

What has actually happened?

JudgeRudy · 11/06/2023 23:54

I'm going to make a wild stab and say this is regards your SEN child's education....and they're 18 now. ...
But whatever it is, if youre likely to lose on a technicality, eg too much time has passed I'd be inclined to stick to the facts. Is it a hearing that press/public can attend? If so I'd be encouraging your local paper and perhaps regional TV to cover the case and interview you. As long as what you're saying is true or you use key words like 'It seems'' it's as if' 'what are they hiding?' etc you can't be sued for libel or anything.
Of course it could be that you are deluded and you will come across as an idiot/in the wrong. How sure are you that fheyve let you down? Think about what outcome would you like for your family and what changes would you like so others don't have the same experience?

JudgeRudy · 11/06/2023 23:56

HarrietJet · 11/06/2023 23:40

You're advising op to blackmail a government legal body?

I'm having visions of Forrest Gumps mum

JenWillsiam · 12/06/2023 00:01

You do sound nuts. Pointless post.

WheresSpring · 12/06/2023 00:16

“You sound nuts” is a horrifically misogynistic response. About to walk into one of ‘those’ situs tomorrow. I’m not nuts, crazy, stupid or incapable of logical thought - I’m female, moral and capable of logical argument that proves me correct.

Tessabelle74 · 12/06/2023 00:34

You sound nuts because there's absolutely zero point posting vague ramblings then buggering off. I wish there was a timer on OP'S coming back to thread that just auto deleted them when they ghost 🙄

RememberNancyDrew · 12/06/2023 00:41

The problem with "going nuclear" is you might come across as nuts and then your true message is lost.

RamblingAroundTheInternet · 12/06/2023 00:46

Trying not to give too much away but agree it is vague.

So in as much as a nutshell as possible (see what I did there!);

It is an appeal regarding special educational needs provision. Our preferred provision was very positive and said they could offer a place when we approached them but after consultation with our Local Authority, did a complete u turn and said they were not suitable for ridiculous reasons which didn't make sense. As it is the only provision that I could find that suited DS (after a lot of research) I lodged an appeal to have them named. Their reasons they are unsuitable are bullshit and discriminatory quite frankly.

I had no idea how much they cost but they are very expensive which I didn't realise until I got the evidence the Local Authority is using as 'inefficient use of resources'.

Appeal lodged 18 months ago. Dragged out so DS missed out on placement at our preferred provision last September and will also miss out on placement this September.

Meaning DS will have had no suitable educational provision for 3 years running.

Judge keeps adjourning hearings, gave Local Authority 3 months to find an alternative when their named provision said they weren't suitable which was highly unusual as a decision should have been made on our preferred provision in that case. This was in January,

Local Authority have now named a placement Judge has already said is unsuitable as they have no other alternative (after 3 wasted months). This provision is a 10th of the cost of our preferred provision but apparently can meet needs when ours can't!

Myself and LA have approached 25+ provisions all saying they are not suitable.

I was threatened with being ordered by Judge to drag my ASD, learning disabled adult DS suffering from social anxiety and depression, to whatever alternate provision the Local Authority pulled out of a hat for assessments so they could avoid funding the provision he actually needs. All for nothing as other provisions also said they were unsuitable!

I have asked for a decision on paper to speed it up but Judge said a hearing necessary but he and Local Authority conveniently could not agree on dates until late July.

They are aware our preferred provision will be full again for September by the next hearing as they have been informed that they only have 2 places left which other students are being assessed for.

Last thing is Judge changing hearing date to another date in July (for no specific reason other than no longer available) that he is aware our preferred provision is not available to attend so we won't be able to question them on their suitability but had prioritised a date the Local Authority's barrister is available as apparently they will be disadvantaged if their barrister can't attend. We have no legal representation at the hearings let alone a bloody barrister.

I mean WTAF!

What conclusion can be made from this other than it has been engineered that we cannot win?

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