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Office schedule change - pets

76 replies

MXVIT · 07/06/2023 13:05

Hi

Very long story short, my office worked on a 2 home / 3 office day post covid, never rigidly enforced but i stuck to this schedule and company line was this was the new way of the world.

This schedule works very well for me and my dog who I purchased after the above was put in place, I arrange care for him on office days and at home I'm obviously at home.

He cannot be left alone for longer than 2 hours, nor would I want to as its cruel.

My company is now mandating 4 days with a bit more rigidity (and still calling it hybrid, lol) with a line that flexibility from them will be key and easy to talk about

I cannot do four days because of dog care, I cannot afford a fourth day and cannot arrange familial care. He cannot be left alone for a work day, I cannot arrange anyone even to call in. I live alone.

I consistently hit my objectives working on the current 3/2 split consistently, and I am happy to increase the contact days every now and again if fully required.

WIBU to bring this up as a legitimate flexibility point.

OP posts:
MXVIT · 07/06/2023 13:52

How do you get anything done, have a social life, go to the cinema?

Short answer is I don't! And I love it that way because I'd always rather have him with me than not. The idea of a meal out or the cinema whilst knowing he's alone in the kitchen missing me is hell!

OP posts:
Fruitjellies · 07/06/2023 13:54

Train the dog to be left a little longer and pay a dog walker to pop in over lunch to let him out for a wee and spend some time there?

Or flexible working is a good option to ask for

Cluckycluck · 07/06/2023 13:55

Is there a reason he can only be left for 2 hours?

caughto · 07/06/2023 13:56

@JustinOtherdad no dog should be left alone for a whole work day! It's cruel and doesn't mean the dog isn't suited to being in an office. 4 hours is the absolute maximum a dog should be on its own.

At my workplace we run a system whereby employees with dogs give a couple days notice and then those who would rather not be around them for whatever reason are free to wfh that day, it works well.

RatherBeRiding · 07/06/2023 13:56

Does he have separation anxiety? What happens if you leave him for longer than 2 hours? Honestly I would find a very good dog walker who can take him for a VERY long mid-day walk so he will sleep all afternoon.

AllyCart · 07/06/2023 13:58

Coffeepot72 · 07/06/2023 13:45

Very long story short, my office worked on a 2 home / 3 office day post covid, never rigidly enforced but i stuck to this schedule and company line was this was the new way of the world.

I wouldnt think you have any legal grounds here, but if custom and practice has been 2 home/3 office for the last few years, then they're changing the goal posts, which they're allowed to do, but you probably won't be the only person who finds it difficult. I would definitely ask the question. Good luck OP.

I imagine it was custom and practice to work 5 days a week in the office, previously.

whumpthereitis · 07/06/2023 14:00

It won’t hurt to ask. You may be denied, but you may also get lucky. I know someone who was given the flexibility for pet care.

kingtamponthefurred · 07/06/2023 14:15

You can ask, but be prepared to be told no (and probably have your colleagues laughing/rolling eyes behind your back).

HelloSunshine12 · 07/06/2023 14:16

By all means ask. But as a seasoned dog owner, I urge you to get your dog used to being left longer for your sake and his.

I don't leave mine for more than four hours. And I have more than one. But if there was an emergency or I couldn't get home I know they'd cope for 8 hours. Dogs need to be resilient for their own sake. It's not cruel to leave them for a few hours, it's good for them to have regular down time. Dogs will naturally sleep for huge swathes of the day.

AMonthOfSundaes · 07/06/2023 14:22

If you have a dog that can be left for up to 4 hours, it's not ok to leave him 4 hrs, "pop home for lunch" then leave him another 4 hrs. That's leaving him for 8 hrs, with a short break in the middle.

He's not a legal argument, you cannot get round the 4 hour limit with a loophole 😂

The restrictions imposed by the pandemic have been done and dusted for about 2 years now. I don't think it unreasonable that people will have gone on to make permanent arrangements and shaped their lives, based on the new ways of working in that time. It's not like the months immediately following when it might have been more risky to bank on the status quo being permanent.

I'd ask, OP. Presumably you've been working that way for 2+ years now.

Wexone · 07/06/2023 14:24

Why can your dog not be left for more than 2 hours? I have had dogs for years and i do believe leaving them all day every day is cruel. But there are times that you have to leave them for 4 hours or more. Mine do cope when this happens - very rare. They get a good walk before i leave them, kong toys or lick mats to keep them entertained, have a large cat flap - they are small dogs so they can go out side and do their business in an enclosed garden. I WFH most days but do have to go into the office so on these days i arrange for them to go to doggy day care or a very good neighbor comes in . I also do these as my short days and make up my hours the rest of the week . You need to start building up your dogs resilience - it not good for both of you to be like this

Coffeepot72 · 07/06/2023 14:27

AllyCart · 07/06/2023 13:58

I imagine it was custom and practice to work 5 days a week in the office, previously.

@AllyCart I did point out that the employers have the right the change the goal posts

AMonthOfSundaes · 07/06/2023 14:30

Going by the clues in the OP, I am guessing this dog is still pretty young - maybe under 18 months?

Coping for 2 hours alone at that age is about par for the course, I think. It tends to build easier once they start to slow down with adulthood, proper.

OP also lives alone - in these scenarios the bond between dog and owner does tend to be stronger and more needy (on the dog's part). Again, that's par for the course.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 07/06/2023 14:46

Was there any contractual change when you went to the hybrid way of working?

Nothingisblackandwhite · 07/06/2023 14:50

Raise it . I don’t see why it cannot be requested . I authorise a team member to work flexible because of her pets .

Jux · 07/06/2023 14:52

You really need to start thinking about getting your dog used to spending more time on his own. That too is part of responsible pet care.

In the meantime, are you putting the radio or tv on for hhim when you're out?
Have the dogwalker pop in half way through the day as suggested up thread.

What happens if your dog is left for longer? What does he do?

FakingMemories · 07/06/2023 14:52

Newtry · 07/06/2023 13:11

By all means, raise it if you think it would be taken seriously.

In my place, people can't get more working from home days for childcare so I can't imagine it being approved for pets.

Have they mentioned these type of examples in any of their changes?

Childcare is completely different. Many companies don’t allow WFH as an alternative to childcare. At our company you are not allowed to WFH if there is child under 12 in the home without another adult. A dog just needs to know there is a human presence in the home to be settled. As the OP said, are sees the dog in 2-hour bursts which is about how often you should step away from your screen anyway to give your eyes a break. Young children require more involvement and interaction than a dog.

FurryPelmet · 07/06/2023 14:53

You have my sympathy, particularly since your employer indicated that this was going to be the long-term arrangement, not just during covid, plus you are responsible enough to not leave your dog for more than two hours which is exactly the right thing to do. You only really have the following options if finances restrict your access to additional dog care which are: to ask for special consideration so you can continue as you are; ask to bring the dog into work (you could at least try, if desperate!) ; offer to work in the office for half of that day and go home at lunch; get an inexpensive pop-in visit rather than pay for a walk or doggy day care. Hope you find a way.

lieselotte · 07/06/2023 14:57

caughto · 07/06/2023 13:56

@JustinOtherdad no dog should be left alone for a whole work day! It's cruel and doesn't mean the dog isn't suited to being in an office. 4 hours is the absolute maximum a dog should be on its own.

At my workplace we run a system whereby employees with dogs give a couple days notice and then those who would rather not be around them for whatever reason are free to wfh that day, it works well.

That works for people like me who just don't want dogs around, but doesn't work for people with allergies.

Crazydoglady1980 · 07/06/2023 15:11

Make a flexible working request, this can only be denied if there is a business reason not to grant it.

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BonnieGlasses · 07/06/2023 13:28

Or you re-home the dog and keep your current job.

Or she pays for dog day care.

Bellabellab · 07/06/2023 15:20

There are limited reasons that a flexible working request can be denied (7 I think) check the acas website.

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