Lockdown report/Covid enquiry - if you supported lockdown do you regret it?

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I haven’t seen a thread on this so sorry if it has been done. In light of the report yesterday I wander if people have changed their minds on whether lockdown was a good idea. I remember the threads of utter lunacy on here and the mask hysteria/schools debate. I was against lockdowns and masks very early on but complied - I don’t think I’d ever do it again. I genuinely think it was a massive overreaction which has damaged things in this country irreparably and left many children and adults far worse off than they were pre covid.

I supported the first lockdown when we really didn't know what we were dealing with, but not the repeated lockdowns. I remember saying that I thought hindsight would always tell us that it was a staggering global overreaction to what was always a mild virus for the majority of people

Exactly this - but it was a staggering global overreaction driven by noise and fury and aided by social media, which many found hard to resist

Equally, as I'm in England, what the right wing government here did affects me more than Mark Drakeford.

What I hated most about the pandemic, is what is demonstrated in here. People getting tribal, divided, turning on each other. As an intelligent person who is clinically vulnerable, who lives with even more clinically vulnerable people, I did batton down the hatches, wash groceries and the like for a time. I would do it if I had my time again, because it was a new virus, it was hospitalising and killing people, the NHS was overwhelmed and we as a country were woefully unprepared for it in a multitude of ways. Even though my actions harmed none of you and were in an attempt to prevent harm, because I am in a group of people who did those things I've been called an assortment of really quite horrible names on this thread, and the hundreds of others like it on all social media platforms.

It brought a lot of people together and made a lot of people reassess what is important in their lives, and I am grateful for that.

The one thing I regret is from first lockdown and living alone with no contact with other people for a few weeks. My partner who I didn't live with at the time, also lived alone.
I cracked one day and just went to see him, and from that point onwards went between both our houses. I remembered being lambasted on here, because 'what if I crash my car on the way to his house and then infect the emergency services!' - infect them how? I'd been completely alone in my house for weeks!
It was the same with 2 friends of mine who also lived alone, they ended up just going to each others houses too. It was ridiculous how late they brought in the notion of a bubble.

Me too, thankfully Mark Drakeford was just a cautionary tale for me. It doesn’t mean I would have wanted the harsher lockdown left had they been in power.

Hence I dread to think what it would have been like if they had

they dont know the figures, whether this was better or worse than usual

What's particularly scary is the amount of people that were against any questioning of the rules. And called those who did murderes, etc Particularly those that identify as "liberal" - what a joke - were the first to give up their freedoms and literally destroy anyone who dare ask question. Many, many Mumsnet users prime example. And they are the ones still bleating on about hindsight and that we couldn't have known. Not that they were wrong and may be being a sheep isn't ideal.
As for novel and unknown - well, Punlic Health England, NHS declared it a mild, cold like illness from the start, everyone saw examples and proof around themselves, there was nobody except for the profiteering media hyping up the hysteria and informing the public desire for those measures. That public opinion then lead the government to introduce those measures. The blonde bombshell of a disaster openly himself said it was nothing to worry about. The public believed the media, not the facts.
How could they not see the harm from those measures at the time - people were dying from non-covid conditions as you were asked to only to contact nhs if you pretty much stopped breathing, children's lives destroyed, country borrowed more than in the world war, economy erased and many now trapped into poverty, need and ill-health for years as a consequence of the government response to appeasing the sheeple.
Makes you understand how people like Hitler came to power.
The good thing that came out of it is we now know which of our friends and family will be the first to adopt the however destructive, human-hating, fascist, extreme religious, or pooh upside down rules should there be an invasion or something. Though we probably knew it anyway.

Well, that's the difference between you and your friend. She cared about others and you didn't (don't).

My great aunt died do to it and at that time they had just started allowing a small number of people at funerals.

At the funeral half the people caught it (I wasn't there) which resulted in another dying and one in ICU.

You must be a very heartless person to think people were weak because they didn't want any more deaths.

My ex husband used to come over during lockdown to visit my then school age son.
He was lambasted by one of my neighbours for not following the rules and killing people - this from a man who’s had 2 heart attacks but still smokes 🤷‍♀️

My friend was fined for having 2 work colleagues (who she shared an office with) over on her birthday for pizza and wine. The police had an anonymous tip off from a fucking interfering busybody neighbour.

Ironically with what we now know was going on, the police refused her argument it was a work meeting due to there being food and alcohol involved

Bet you'd have been happy with the left wing Swedish model, though.

I thought it was blooming handy at the time, yes.

WTAF

The blonde bombshell of a disaster openly himself said it was nothing to worry about

Have you forgotten the bit where he was intensive care? Or do you think that was made up?

I should have realised by your use of "sheeple" you were a tinfoil hatter with a limited grasp of reality.

My how it’s like turning back time 3 years. The melodrama.

We need to stop acting like death is unnatural or offensive.

What's particularly scary is the amount of people that were against any questioning of the rules.

Yes, that was utterly horrifying.

Even applying a pro lockdown perspective, it's still incredibly important for people to be able to question laws. That's especially so when they involve new powers.

It's interesting that the government are trying to derail the covid enquiry, refusing to hand over evidence and covering their backsides, and at the same time a report from another country is being declared the only truth, something our inept government can say, well it wasn't too bad.

I'll wait for the official enquiry.

Well sure, great if we’d done that left or right, but the left wing here are not Swedish so it wouldn’t have actually benefited me in the same way

It’s the U.K. I live in not Sweden, so looking around at left and right here is relevant

I don’t think it’s that hard to get surely

I'm assuming you just shrug and get on with your day if someone in your family dies? Normal people aren't like that.

And may I add it's not melodrama, I literally just told you two members of my family died, another ended up in ICU - those are facts and reasons most of us did what we did.

As I said, heartless.

It's just that it's not a good point, and doesn't say what you initially claimed it did.

And don't forget the misogyny and erosion of woman's rights and the worsening of women's position - it was mostly mothers or potential mothers that became a liability during those measures. The public didn't mind or didnt think that far. So there you go we don't know what a woman is any more since men with a dick are women too and predators have free free reign as long as they put a bit of lippy on.

I’m laughing now. Thanks for the report card

My original post was I dread to think what the left would have done if in power - harsher prolonged lockdowns. After your posts on Sweden, Ireland, India etc which have zero impact on that I still do.

That’s really not the bomb drop ‘gotcha’ moment you think it is.

But to answer - where they normally go. Where the bodies go in winter when there’s a flu pandemic every single year.

I felt no choice but to comply for the first few weeks - after that ignored as much as I could
We went back to our offices in June 2020 I started meeting up with friends and family where possible
I refused to wear a mask but did have the first 2 vaccines as I was desperate to get out of the country asap - I do regret having them and won’t ever have a booster

Fuck me. The I'm alright Jack's on here astound me. So you're not dead , doesn't mean otherwise healthy people didn't die. And the whole point was that the virus was so transmissible that despite the death rates, of the old and unhealthy who no one on here seems to give a toss about, it meant that resources were used up and care couldn't be given to all sections of society, not just those with covid.
People in India were paying everything they had for bottles of oxygen for their loved ones. Going from hospital to hospital begging for help. This country is a joke. We don't know we are born.

As for novel and unknown - well, Punlic Health England, NHS declared it a mild, cold like illness from the start, everyone saw examples and proof around themselves,

Did they? It was a novel mutation and it was hospitalising people. Did we? I saw news reports of people on ventilators, I have previously fit and healthy friends whose lives are still significantly impaired by long covid, I have both disabled and previously healthy friends who were hospitalised badly ill with Covid. I saw plenty of examples of mild cold like symptoms (I had that myself) too, I lost two friends to suicide where lockdowns and covid stress were likely a factor in their deaths, and every day my work is impacted by young people whose education and social development was impacted by lockdowns, so I'm not exactly unsympathetic to either side.

This is an important point. I'd also add the women who were sexually harassed whilst observing legally mandated quarantine in hotels.

If women are placed in that vulnerable position, and guarded by men, some of those men abusing their position is inevitable. Restricting people's movements means opening up some of those people to abuse.