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Is my job being sneaky or AIBU?

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Mstxxx · 06/06/2023 09:02

There has been a lot of kerfuffle the last 9 months - my team has moved to a different department with the promise of a new job title, higher job grade and with the higher job grade, a higher salary. It took 9 months to get it sorted with us working in the mean time in that department without the job title/pay etc. Anyway, that part is sorted now although the pay was lower than we expected for our job grading in our department (job grading in each department is available for anyone to view)

I noticed on my company website where it holds our job information that my 'Job Family' is completely different to the department that I actually work in. We have nothing to do with that department whatsoever and it is completely unrelated. I messaged HR that this may be incorrect and could they update it - they responded with 'it was agreed with your senior leader that your new roles be in that Job Family'. Well, there it is - my suspicions are that they have put our role in that Job Family in order to pay us less as that department/job family are the lowest paid in the whole company. It isn't a budget thing either, I can see our salaries are being paid out the budget for our actual department and to avoid any doubt, my company information says I am in the correct department, I work in that department area and regularly go to conferences/meetings etc for that department. In my eyes, it clearly took 9 months to sort out because they were probably discussing with Legal and HR the legality of whether they can do what they have done or not.

How can they do this? Is this even legal?! I genuinely don't know what to do next. I am debating just leaving but curious if there is realistically anything else I can do.

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Mstxxx · 06/06/2023 09:05

*Just to add - Job Families & Departments are the same thing. Each job family is just the name of different departments

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PineappleLatte · 06/06/2023 09:05

Are there people doing the same job as you but are listed in a different job family

LIZS · 06/06/2023 09:07

What do you think is not legal? Your company can structure as it chooses. Does your new contract say which "family" you fall under?

Gazelda · 06/06/2023 09:08

Is your pay based on your grade or on your job family?

Aprilx · 06/06/2023 09:13

Is what legal? What laws do you think there are about how a company labels its internal departments? Confused

I can’t really follow your post, could you not say what exactly is happened? For example is your department “finance” but you have been allocated to the “admin” job family?

Mstxxx · 06/06/2023 16:55

Aprilx · 06/06/2023 09:13

Is what legal? What laws do you think there are about how a company labels its internal departments? Confused

I can’t really follow your post, could you not say what exactly is happened? For example is your department “finance” but you have been allocated to the “admin” job family?

Sorry I realise my post isn't really making any sense!

I work in Risk/Compliance and they have put my 'Job Family' as Customer Services on the internal systems. My 'Department' is Risk/Compliance on the internal systems (which would be correct). However, pay is determined by 'Job Family'. In short my pay/bonus will be determined by Customer Services pay scales which I do not work in. Hopefully this makes more sense?

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Mstxxx · 06/06/2023 16:58

Gazelda · 06/06/2023 09:08

Is your pay based on your grade or on your job family?

It is determined by what grade I am within that Job Family. Each job family has A, B, C, D etc which has 4 grades (A1, A2, A3, A4). So an A1 in Job Family Customer Services will have a different salary range than an A1 in Risk/Compliance for example. I work in Risk/Compliance and they have put my Job Family as Customer Services!

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Mstxxx · 06/06/2023 17:01

LIZS · 06/06/2023 09:07

What do you think is not legal? Your company can structure as it chooses. Does your new contract say which "family" you fall under?

Of course - I don't have an issue with the structure, I realise my post was perhaps confusing. I work in Risk/Compliance and they have put my Job Family as Customer Services despite Risk/Compliance being my department. Salary and bonuses are determined by what Job Family you are in which is my issue with being in one that I am not. Customer Services are paid less than Risk/Compliance. I haven't been given a new contract, just a written notification letter of my 'new' role (that I had been working for 9 months prior)

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StopMindlesslyScrolling · 06/06/2023 17:07

Can you ask for written confirmation that your pay will not be affected by this role change?

ThunderCow · 06/06/2023 17:22

Mstxxx · 06/06/2023 17:01

Of course - I don't have an issue with the structure, I realise my post was perhaps confusing. I work in Risk/Compliance and they have put my Job Family as Customer Services despite Risk/Compliance being my department. Salary and bonuses are determined by what Job Family you are in which is my issue with being in one that I am not. Customer Services are paid less than Risk/Compliance. I haven't been given a new contract, just a written notification letter of my 'new' role (that I had been working for 9 months prior)

Is your new roll some sort of customer service/risk and compliance cross over? If you're not happy with your pay then quit.

Mstxxx · 06/06/2023 17:40

ThunderCow · 06/06/2023 17:22

Is your new roll some sort of customer service/risk and compliance cross over? If you're not happy with your pay then quit.

Nope - not customer facing at all and I have no contact with customer services or anything to do with them so I find it really odd. It's not that I'm massively unhappy with my pay (although it could be better), its the principle of it more than anything. It's manipulating their own policies that are in place for transparency and fairness around pay (their words) to suit them when they don't want to pay their staff according to their scales

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AlisonDonut · 06/06/2023 17:43

Have you asked your senior leader what is going on?

Mstxxx · 06/06/2023 18:21

AlisonDonut · 06/06/2023 17:43

Have you asked your senior leader what is going on?

I mentioned this to them 2 months ago as I noticed it then, however the new job profile etc hadn't been sorted out at that point. It was during a zoom call with 2 senior leaders and when I mentioned my job family is wrong they both went silent and were stuttering - they said something along the lines of it should be sorted when the new role and grading is sorted and they changed the subject quick. The new job role/grading has been sorted now and it's still there - I messaged HR yesterday to query why it's there and can it be fixed (to see what they say) and they said it was confirmed by my senior leader when the new role profiles were being sorted out that my job role will sit in the Customer Services Family. They then closed the chat down before I could ask anything else. Super weird

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YukoandHiro · 06/06/2023 18:23

Take legal advice. I suspect you can take action for lost pay.

TheThinkingGoblin · 06/06/2023 18:25

Mstxxx · 06/06/2023 18:21

I mentioned this to them 2 months ago as I noticed it then, however the new job profile etc hadn't been sorted out at that point. It was during a zoom call with 2 senior leaders and when I mentioned my job family is wrong they both went silent and were stuttering - they said something along the lines of it should be sorted when the new role and grading is sorted and they changed the subject quick. The new job role/grading has been sorted now and it's still there - I messaged HR yesterday to query why it's there and can it be fixed (to see what they say) and they said it was confirmed by my senior leader when the new role profiles were being sorted out that my job role will sit in the Customer Services Family. They then closed the chat down before I could ask anything else. Super weird

Its not super weird..

Its a cost cutting exercise at your expense.

I would make plans to leave as at this point you will not be able to change anything

Going from Risk/Compliance to Customer services is absurd.

No point in sugarcoating it.

TheThinkingGoblin · 06/06/2023 18:27

YukoandHiro · 06/06/2023 18:23

Take legal advice. I suspect you can take action for lost pay.

What planet are you on?

A lawyer would laugh at you fot being so absurd

Premiumbondbaby · 06/06/2023 18:28

@Mstxxx you need to put all of this in writing and request a written response. Point out your role is in the wrong job family and ask for it to be moved to the correct job family. If you are in a TU ask them to support you in understanding why your job role has been allocated to 5he wrong job family.

You also need to go back through all correspondence about the changes to understand the process they followed including the appeal process.

LIZS · 06/06/2023 19:01

Does your letter state the "family" as bring cs? Is your management responsible for both departments at a higher level? Presumably you have not had a reduced salary?

Florissante · 06/06/2023 19:07

OP, I applaud you for clarifying your post! Not many MNers would admit that.

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