To think that "Stop The Boats"

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is

A) What Brexit was supposed to do? ("Take Back Control of Our Borders")

and

B) Never going to happen

YABU The Tories WILL "Stop The Boats".

YANBU The Tories WILL NOT "Stop The Boats".

Yanbu. They aren't willing to do the overhaul of the immigration system that's needed. Never mind that it's perfectly legal for people to seek asylum in whatever way they can (and for some there's no option but by arriving by boats) so all they're doing is making things more divided and scapegoating a group of people to avoid looking at where responsibility lies- with the tories and their historically poor policies on immigration.

The only way people will stop making the journey is if we put in place legal pathways for people to apply for assylum in the same way they managed to do for the Ukrainian people.

at the moment the fault is being put in the hands of those who are desperate when really the fault is the traffickers and the lack of proper joined up system in this country.

A) YANBU but that was a Brexit lie sold to the gullible
B) YABU someone needs to stop the boats to save lives. It’s only a few thousand people and it beggars belief that our government can’t coordinate a small scale humanitarian operation that safely allows people to apply for asylum without risking drowning.

Well, quite. This is like if, instead of refunding the money and launching an investigation, your bank decided to fine you for letting yourself be scammed.

YANBU Tories don't actually want to stop the boats - they want us to swallow the line that they do, like pretending to be responsible with finance and a low tax party etc. It's all just say one thing and do the opposite.

YANBU - you need the French to cooperate.
And that is never going to happen unless we re join the EU.

I wish the Rwanda plan had gone through

Rejoining the EU wouldn't make the French waste their time detaining people who are desperate to get to the UK - they didn't when we were in the EU.

We need legal routes as PPs have mentioned.

What are you talking about?

You are absolutely right.

It's is also C) Cruel and an incitement to racial hatred

Were the government going to airlift refugees from France to Rwanda though?

Or would the government still be driving custom to the cross channel people trafficking gangs?

Except that the French are cooperating and it's costing them a fortune. The problem is it's much easier to live under the radar in the UK and that's where people want to get to - and just keep trying until they succeed

Except that the French are spending lots of money housing them, relocating them, patrolling the beaches for them and the smugglers, rescuing them when their boats overturn and, increasingly, picking up the pieces after a massive increase in violent crimes between migrants. It's actually very naive to think that any country would just be sitting there doing nothing

@Fightyouforthatpie By re joining the EU, the UK could put more effectively placed pressure onto France.

As it stands at the moment, we need France to cooperate far more with us whenit comesto our borders, than the other way round.

@FlibbedyFlobbedyFloo I don't think that they are. And why should they?
It doesn't benefit them to house/ detain people who are going to leave the country anyway.
All it does, is to cost them money... no benefits whatsoever, except giving people a chance to rest for the final journey.

I think that the people of Calais are busy building a rubber dinghy factory!

The majority of those recent arrivals are from Albania. There will never be a legal route of asylum from Albania as there are no grounds for that. So..... What is the option for those people?

"I don't think" isn't fact though, it's prejudice/assumption/lazy

Doing just a tiny bit of research would prove you wrong.

And it's not just France either, at one point, Belgium was even paying private security companies to patrol parking areas near the coast

There is no intention to stop the boats. Just like there was never any intention to reduce net migration.

High migration is a way of massaging GDP figures by a government which is too incompetent and corrupt to grow the economy through high productivity. More people means slightly higher GDP, even though GDP per capita keeps falling and we are becoming a poorer country.

The whole thing is a con and a lie.

Exactly.

If rejoining would pressurise the French - why didn't it work when we were in the EU?
It's patently our problem to solve. If the boot was on the other foot and Dover was full of people from other Countries desperate to cross to France, would there be much political will to stop them? The French have spent a lot of money improving prevention - but we gave them a lot, before and since Brexit.

Agreed.

I agree with you but surely most people won't be fooled again?

"Fool me once" and all that.

If rejoining would pressurise the French - why didn't it work when we were in the EU?

Why were numbers so much lower when we were in the EU than they are now? @Fightyouforthatpie

They like cheap labour & probably black market labour so they make noise about changing it but don't want to really.

One of the factors in the record high small boats crossings is that the U.K. can no longer send anyone back to the EU country they departed from if they don't qualify for asylum.

This wasn't used much because it's existence was a deterrent

People who didn't think they would qualify didn't come.

Now that mechanism is gone the deterrent is gone

Rwanda was supposed to be an equal deterrent

As is being overcrowded onto barges

Unfortunately these are not as big a deterrent to making her crossing as our membership of the EU was.

Most people are fools though. The examples are all there from the last 25 years.