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To think this helps explain what the trans thing is all about?

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Moomoola · 05/06/2023 00:40

https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1664424891372941312?s=20

hello, if you have young - or not so young, children, it is probably very important that you watch this documentary. It begins to uncover some of the background to the current fashion for all things trans. It seems there is a lot more to it than’ be kind’
as parents of a child who didn’t fit in, who hates their body and now identifies as trans, we are told that, it’s OK, the NHS waiting lists are 2 years or so and there’s lots of counselling before testosterone is offered.
Actually I discovered I can buy testosterone ( steroids) from a well known high street chain by filling in the form with a made up GPname, for £18 a week online. Delivered tomorrow.
That is not a 2 year waiting list.
AIBU to be concerned?

https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1664424891372941312?s=20

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wednesdaydocmarten · 05/06/2023 01:10

This has absolutely shocked me! My DC has unfortunately been going through some gender confusion in the past year or so. Some packages have arrived to the house so if you don’t mind my curiousity what pharmacies have been allowing teenagers to access these drugs? Very worrying times if this is the case Sad

Moomoola · 05/06/2023 07:02

I’ll drop you a pm.I’m not sure if it’s ok to say publicly.

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kateluvscats · 05/06/2023 07:05

A little confused, testosterone isn't steroid??

Moomoola · 05/06/2023 07:11

Yes, it seems it is. I was surprised to hear this as steroids got such bad press for athletes using them back in the day. It seems testosterone is steroids rebranded.
This , from Cleveland clinic - first Google answer that came up.

Is testosterone a steroid?Natural testosterone is a steroid — an anabolic-androgenic steroid. "Anabolic" refers to muscle building, and "androgenic" refers to increased male sex characteristics.
However, when you hear people use the term “anabolic steroids” they are generally referring to synthetic (made in a lab) variations of testosterone that are injected into your body.
Healthcare providers use synthetic testosterone to treat and manage various medical conditions.
Synthetic testosterone is the main drug of masculinizing hormone therapy, which is a gender-affirming treatment that someone AFAB uses to produce the secondary sex characteristics associated with being assigned male at birth (AMAB).
Some athletes and bodybuilders misuse synthetic testosterone (anabolic steroids) by taking very high doses of them in an attempt to boost performance or change their physical appearance. Misuse of these drugs can cause several unpleasant symptoms and lead to long-term dangerous health problems, including blood clots, stroke, and potentially increase the risk of prostate cancer.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24101-testosterone#:~:text=Is%20testosterone%20a%20steroid%3F,to%20increased%20male%20sex%20characteristics.

Testosterone: What It Is, Function & Levels

Testosterone is a hormone that your gonads (testicles or ovaries) mainly produce. Testosterone levels are naturally much higher in people assigned male at birth.

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24101-testosterone#:~:text=Is%20testosterone%20a%20steroid%3F,to%20increased%20male%20sex%20characteristics.

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Florissante · 05/06/2023 07:21

kateluvscats · 05/06/2023 07:05

A little confused, testosterone isn't steroid??

Testosterone is a hormone.

StemStem · 05/06/2023 07:33

Are you planning on giving testosterone to your child?

NoSquirrels · 05/06/2023 07:41

YANBU to be alarmed that testosterone can be bought and sold without the right checks or by falsifying information. YANBU to be alarmed that teens have access to the information that allows this. You could write to the big name pharmacy chain expressing your concern.

But the NHS waiting list is 2 years. That’s separate.

I’m not sure what it has to do with the documentary - is that where you got the information about testosterone availability?

Moomoola · 05/06/2023 09:47

sorry, you are right, the documentary and hormones are separate..but not.

I’m trying to make sense if it all - and I believe that, like me, a lot of people may still be being told, as we were, that the ‘trans movement’ is just the new punk or goth. no problem.
that if they do get to hate their body and believe they should really be a boy, That waiting lists are 2 years, plenty of time for them to consider the pros and cons.

As I research, im now finding out that it’s a bit more than that, which is why the documentary may be helpful - so that other parents have the chance to realise what’s going on. Bayswater group, sex matters and transgender trend may also be interesting.

the separate mention of waiting lists and testosterone are because following on from being socially transitioned by her school guidance teacher, my DD has decided to take testosterone.
obviously I checked the NHS 2 years comment out, and was shocked to discover that it may be true for the NHS, but that I can sign up to an online clinic for a few hundred pounds, and be on testosterone in a month or less.

I was also then shocked to discover there is also something called’microdosing’ which is being encouraged online. where the effects are slower- but many are still permanent. So,it’s basically pocket money affordable from this chain - £18 a week.

there is no ‘waiting lists of 2 years, plenty of time for them to be counselled, so it’s all OK’.

Teens are being persueded that this is easy, safe, and will make everything great.
my DD (18) seems to think testosterone is easy, safe and no more dangerous than getting a hair cut.
th.

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Melroses · 05/06/2023 12:46

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid

Steroids is a name for a group of organic chemical that have a specific ring structure that includes hormones and is found in the structure cell membranes. It is worth a skim of the brain frying wiki article.

Steroid - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid

lifeturnsonadime · 05/06/2023 13:15

It's horrendous OP, all of this is being normalised and made accessible.

Just why? There was a clip on Casualty this week before the watershed where they were celebrating a trans man getting a double mastectomy (top surgery) with a boob cake.

Why are girls being encouraged to modify their bodies by the media and the drugs are easily accessible. They ought to be banned. Many teens have access to £18 per week particularly if they have part time jobs.

These are concerning times. People can wear what they want and call themselves what they want but encouraging and making body modification readily accessible without any form of control is just plain wrong.

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CampervanKween · 05/06/2023 14:38

OMG 😲 horrifying. Such a scary time to be going through the hormonal upheaval of adolescence.

Moomoola · 06/06/2023 08:08

Thanks Melrose’s, that certainly is a brain fry!
here’s a picture from it that explains testosterone is a hormone and a steroid.

just parents, please, please be aware that the trans thing follows all the characteristics of a cult. It is so not a benign slightly rebellious ‘phase’.

the slightest thing you say will be misconstrued as transphobic, then you will be the bad guys. They can then rebel, get angry at you, and the trans group online or in RL will be there to scoop them up and persuede them that if they have doubts, they themselves are transphobic, so they’d better do the next thing..and the next..to prove that they are trans enough.

i know it sounds mad, and I may well do too. I thought my friend was bonkers when she talked about this stuff, but Im shocked that it’s happened to our very normal, sweet, DD who has run away to be with her trans partner and their mum, as they are not transphobic.
I didn’t think I was, I thought I was just a concerned mum.

To think this helps explain what the trans thing is all about?
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Moomoola · 28/06/2023 23:11

And an article found by another mn. It sounds utterly bonkers but it is actually happening, now, in a school near you.
genspect or the safe schools alliance can help point out what you might want to be aware of. I certainly wasn’t.

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