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Should a stay at home parent expect payment (other than an allowance)?

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working4ever · 03/06/2023 22:32

Sorry for long post - bear with it!

Other half says ". You pay me absolutely ZERO as an unpaid slave and take all our money" "and a formal complaint of domestic abuse via coercive control / controlling behaviour has been made to social services about this".

I work full time, OH quit work in Aug 2016 just as I was about to go back to work after maternity leave with OH citing stress. It was made clear before birth that I must return to work full time to give child all opportunities. There was discussion that I might be able to reduce my hours in time. Nursery was arranged for 3 days a week with me working from home and doing childcare one day and OH one day (OH worked full time up until then). Then after OH quit with no warning or discussion, with no money coming in and OH not looking for work I said we had to reduce this to 2 days nursery and they take over another day this was after 5 months). Savings at that point sub £1000 and declining rapidly. OH claimed job seekers. Finances were hard. OH did minimal childcare (ie 9 to 5.15 2 days then 3 days and not outside these hours) no housework and no cooking.

DC starts school in 2020, OH picks up DC each day and does school holidays 9 to when I get home. I still do mornings and evenings. OH "works" at a hobby that costs us money. OH gets PIP (diagnosed as being on ASD spectrum in 2020/21). I would spend minimal in order to save for household expenses. In 2021 it was agreed that since OH used PIP as personal spending I should be able to have an allowance too which is slightly less than PIP. I use this to now have my hair cut and coloured regularly (which was previously only once or twice a year with a £20 cut and buy a home colour kit) and also for other bits and pieces eg lunch for us all at McDonalds or wherever, contribute to work leaving gifts, mothers day flowers etc. I also use this to pay for days out to Paultons etc. OH prescriptions come out of joint. It was also agreed that they would cook up to 3 times per week which they never did before, even if just simple pizza and chips

OH has access to joint accounts and savings and always has and will just spend from there even Amazon purchases for themself or gifts for their friends.

My mum died recently and I have a sizable amount which they want half of to spend as they please. When my brother died a few years ago my mum gave me and brother a few thousand each and it turns out my OH went to my mum and said they should have been given half as well. My feeling is that OH is being entitled. OH has purchased in past petrol motorbike, electric motorbike, electric scooters, electric quadbike, tshirt press and all the stuff that goes with it, web hosting, turntables, laptops, speakers and numerous other stuff with joint funds. They also like to control in other ways and I have been threatened if I don't do x then y will happen.

Would you pay your OH for staying at home? OH has an additional £100 petrol allowance. Entertainment for when DC is on schools hols is from joint eg swimming, McDonalds, pier amusements. I do washing, although more than two loads is way too much per week apparently but I just crack on as we need to wash clothes, towels etc. I clean bathroom and usually kitchen, oven etc plus extras like windows and other stuff, change bedding, wash it (iron bedding as OH likes it ironed). OH does ironing as and when it suits so often I will get up at 5.30 am and do urgent ironing. No vacuuming for a month so far. Hit and miss with lawn mowing as it's either not or then every week for a while. They asked for a list of stuff that needs doing and when I provide it eg beds need changing every week or bi weekly, floors need mopping, bathroom cleaned I'm told I'm controlling. It is used against me.

It's been made clear (from both OH and FIL) that whatever my FIL provides either now or when they have passed that it is for OH/DC.

So essentially (if you made it thus far), should I pay OH for housekeeping and child care? I'm beginning to think that living separately and paying someone else to do childcare whilst I work who may be better qualified would likely make me and DC better off atlhough DC will miss their parent.

Clearly I'm sure you'll read there is more to this than I am revealing but bottom line, when both of you are working (one in the home and one in the workplace) with a similar "allowance" would the working at home person expect to be paid more?

OP posts:
AutisticLegoLover · 03/06/2023 23:49

I'm sure I've read about this OH before. If so I seem to recall it's a sane sex relationship and you were told to leave then. This is no way to live.

Tiddlypomtiddlypom · 03/06/2023 23:53

The OH needs to fuck all the way to off. What a grabby, lazy cunt.

Kick them out. Immediately.

Inertia · 03/06/2023 23:53

Answering your question- it doesn’t sound as though your partner is pulling his/her weight.

If there’s a non-working parent at home, why is nursery needed? Is your partner starting a self-employed business? When both parents are home, why are childcare and other household jobs not split evenly?

I’ve been a SAHP, worked PT and worked FT so have no particular angle here, but if your child is at nursery/school then that’s the time for the SAHP to be doing the cleaning:/ laundry/ beds/ garden.

Namechangedagain20 · 03/06/2023 23:55

This is awful, I would be ending the relationship. I’m a SAHM and we share a joint account, your partner is entitled. Going to your mum for money would have been the end of it for me.

Mariposista · 03/06/2023 23:57

If you want money, you have to work to earn it. That is called being an adult.

Nottodaty · 04/06/2023 00:00

You deserve better. Your family deserves better.

You already know what you need to do.

PrincessFiorimonde · 04/06/2023 00:10

It seems to me that your OH has got into your head and done their best, over the last several years, to convince you that what they want is right. But, OP, please try to look at this dispassionately if you can.

What would you say to a friend who told you they were living like this?

Can your OH's financial demands really be right? Including their demands over your inheritance(s)? (Even though their own inheritance will be treated differently.) Can it be right that you, with a full-time job, are often getting up at 5.30 a.m. to do household chores, in order (it seems) to keep the peace with your OH?

It does sound to me that living separately and paying for childcare would be a better option for you. And surely your OH can continue to have a relationship with DC even if you're no longer living together.

I know it's easy for me to say this, as I am not living your life. But, OP, your current set-up sounds miserable for you.

I wish you all the best Flowers

RichTeee · 04/06/2023 00:11

I am the OH in your relationship, in that I stay at home and I receive PIP.

I have the house run so tightly that even on my worst days (arthritis and a host of autoimmune diseases) there are still dinners that can be heated from the freezer. The house is relatively tidy as I've taught DC to tidy up after themselves.

I do all cleaning, cooking,homework, sorting out DC, life administration. Really the only home job my DH does is mow the lawn. Or he will step in obviously if I'm very ill.

All our money goes into one account and we can spend freely, but big purchases of over £100ish we would run past the other and probably over £50 if it was for only one of our enjoyment. For the DC clothes etc I just buy when they need, trips etc we talk about.

Your OH if they are already getting PIP to spend on their own on themselves prob already has more freed up cash than you, no bills, no household expenses, still paying childcare etc etc. They are being ridiculous to want more. I would write out your income and outgoings and see what your FUN money is, then see if you want to live like this - paying a partner to not partake in the realities of family life.

Disability can be a strain on a relationship and on the person with it. But it's not a get out of jail free card to act like a that and treat your OH like a slave or demand money from other people. No Disability makes you do that....being a wanker does though.

Marmalady75 · 04/06/2023 00:16

Take your child and run for the hills! This man is abusing you. You must see that surely? Leave him and never look back.

RhosynBach · 04/06/2023 00:20

Your oh is taking the piss and v entitled. I would not stay with them

user1473878824 · 04/06/2023 00:41

They are abusive and horrible. You’d be better off single. You’re already doing everything anyway.

AnOKYearForTheRoses · 04/06/2023 00:46

Are you married to they?

greyhairnomore · 04/06/2023 00:46

Bloody hell I have read some things on here ...

Middlelanehogger · 04/06/2023 00:48

What's with the weird pronouns. "Themself"?! Honestly...

SleepingStandingUp · 04/06/2023 00:54

I don't think a SAHP needs an allowance, esp given they have PIP and access to shared money which they happily spend.

I also don't think this is a marriage I'd want to remain in. They clearly have no respect for you. They're not even doing the role they want money for.

Unclear on your partners sex, and what implications that might have for a custody battle as you carried the baby, but I'd personally leave and fight for custody.

SleepingStandingUp · 04/06/2023 00:55

Middlelanehogger · 04/06/2023 00:48

What's with the weird pronouns. "Themself"?! Honestly...

I assume op is trying not to bias the replies in anyway

AspiringChatBot · 04/06/2023 00:59

Other half says ". You pay me absolutely ZERO as an unpaid slave and take all our money" "and a formal complaint of domestic abuse via coercive control / controlling behaviour has been made to social services about this".

This is not how coercive control laws work. You didn't force/coerce your partner to leave their job and you haven't prevented them from looking for or taking a new one. If the two of you had discussed options and decided together that you'd go back to work full time and partner would stay home full time, you'd probably have come up with some sort of budget/arrangement at the time so you both had fair access to money. Under the circumstances, it's not surprising it didn't happen, and this person's attitude sucks.

ClairDeLaLune · 04/06/2023 01:12

Cock/fanny lodger. Kick them out.

YouMustBeJoeKing · 04/06/2023 01:18

Are you married? I can’t work out if you are or not. If you’re not, just leave. If you are, you might want to consider your options.

What you have would not work for us for many reasons. Firstly, I don’t tolerate being told what to do in the relationship or my home - whether it’s being told to work, being told how many hours to work, being told which chores are mine or being told what to spend my money on. I really don’t know why you tolerate that either.

Secondly, we don’t believe in allowances. We are married and our money belongs to both of us. One works, the other doesn’t (but looks after the home and children). All money from all sources goes into one account and everything is paid from that. The only exception us if my someone gives one of us birthday money (my mum usually gives me money rather than a present for my birthday), this is then spent by the recipient on whatever they choose. I have never understood separate finances for married couples or people raising children together. If you’re not married and have no children, fair enough. I would not tolerate being told “this us how much you are allowed to spend”. I also wouldn’t tolerate being “paid” to look after my own children or for looking after the home. Each adult is equal in our house. Threads involving separate finances are always a mess on here with one person always feeling they are getting a bad deal (because they are).

I also would not tolerate someone who us got and able enough to ride motorbikes, pursue hobbies and crafts, etc not to be doing something to bring money into the household unless they were taking full responsibility of the child care and household stuff. Why can’t he deliver pizzas? Or be a motorcycle courier? Sounds like he has DJ equipment. Why can’t that be used to make an income?

I’m not normally in the LTB crowd, but this pathetic excuse for a man has no redeeming qualities. What the heck do you see in him? He’s become another child in the home. Get yourself a real man. There are plenty out there.

TMess · 04/06/2023 01:20

Your OH sounds pretty useless and I wouldn’t stay with them, tbh. And I’m saying that as a SAHP: I have a separate account that I alone have access to and my DH transfers a set amount a week for me to do what I feel like with, which some people may take issue with I suppose but it works for us : all household, child, family related things come from the joint account. So I can see the discussion of a payment/allowance type of money more than most might but I can not see where your OH is a reasonable or helpful partner who should get your money.

Brisland · 04/06/2023 01:24

You need to leave “them” and start being happy. Your child deserves to know this isn’t normal, reasonable or appropriate. You deserve better.

PumpkinQueen1 · 04/06/2023 01:33

I think you need to read back through your post, and imagine a friend was telling you this. What advice would you give?

You need to leave him. This will only get worse.

EpicChaos · 04/06/2023 01:38

Tell him to sling his hook!
And no, you shouldn't be paying him!

Rainbowqueeen · 04/06/2023 01:39

I opened this thread expecting to say all money should be family money and each parent should have equal fun money.

it sounds like you get less fun money and also carry the burden of breadwinner plus do most of the stuff at home. You don’t sound like a team at all. I’d split up.

DC can still spend time with your ex. Have you thought about appropriate contact arrangements?

AlyssaHasAChaaaaild · 04/06/2023 01:49

I have been SAHM for 19 years and have an allowance.

DH pays most of his salary into a joint account which covers all bills plus a bit extra for agreed general family spending. The leftover money is split between him and me in our own single accounts to spend as we wish.

He has the burden of being the family financial provider. I do everything in the house, admin, family stuff etc so we feel we are equally contributing.

If your OH is getting PIP then that is family income which becomes part of the calculation. Maybe that's enough for their fun spending - you need to decide what is reasonable for you each to have.

The stuff about inheritance and OH doing fuck all around the house is very odd.

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