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Icedlatteplease · 31/05/2023 09:08

MiddleParking · 31/05/2023 07:47

Why censor Frozen 2?

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Frozen is about a strong powerful female stopping being scared of her inner self and learning to harness her power in a positive way to rule Arendelle benevolently. Without a man. It emphasises the importance of female familial love and having a strong support network.

Frozen 2 sees that strong independent woman abandon her responsibilities again to run off. Leaving her sibling to rule, (who is getting married).

In frozen Kristoff utters the fantastic line "can I be of any assistance" to Anna whilst Anna I'd trying to save the day. The woman is saving the day, the man doesn't have to be the central one doing, that they can be the one supporting and still be brave courageous and manly. They can even ask for consent and advice before they act.

In frozen 2 Kristoff saves Anna. Back to Man saves woman again 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Argh!!!! Just what we're they thinking

MiddleParking · 31/05/2023 09:09

5foot5 · 31/05/2023 08:56

I was a youngish teen when the film cane out and had already read the book so I was keen to see it. But I rembember being so annoyed because the cinema was full of little kids who had been brought by their parents who presumably had seen the video "Bright Eyes" and thought "Oh cartoon about rabbit. That'll do."

This was back in the day when you had a support film and usherettes who were meant to keep order and sell ice cream in the interval. The support was some deadly dull documentary about building a Maori canoe, but the usherettes were assiduous at keeping order and silencing the bored murmurings.

However when the main feature started they just seem to give up and leave everyone to it. So many bored, bewildered and wailing infants you could hardly hear a thing.

This was also before the age when the cinema soundtrack is played loud to deafen out people chewing, slurping and talking because people were expected to be able to sit still and listen for 2 hours without constantly stuffing their face.

In answer to OP though, no I can't think of anything I would or did ban my DD from watching and, despite watching many Disney "princess" movies in her childhood, she has grown up to be a smart, independent minded young woman. So I too think you are over thinking it

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Sorry but I am laughing at an allegation of overthinking anything from someone who’s just written four angry paragraphs about some little kids making noise in the cinema 45 years ago 😂

MollyRover · 31/05/2023 09:16

I do allow DD watch the Disney films but being aware of the damsel in distress stereotypes pushed in most of them I do discuss with her. We've discussed at length all the red flags Prince Eric in The Little Mermaid throws up, he has no friends, he's always moaning about getting a girlfriend and he's just generally no fun whatsoever- a lot of pressure for a hypothetical relationship!! DD has decided if she ever has a boyfriend it's better that he has his own things that he likes and they don't have to do everything together. The new film is an improvement, and despite my protestations about Frozen it's actually quite girl power.

There are definitely outdated themes in these films but monitor it, they can be great talking points.

Qilin · 31/05/2023 09:19

EverythingsCominUpMilhouse · 31/05/2023 05:28

Are there any films / Tv shows that you grew up watching that you wouldn't want your child to watch? And if so, why?

E.g. Disney films like Snow White, Sleeping Beauty - she needed a man to save her and couldn't save herself. Also, in Snow White, the "bad woman" was ugly and the "good woman" was pretty.

Or do you think this is overthinking it and will go over a child's head?

Dd watched all these films as a child. She's 21y now and doesn't believe you need a man to rescue you, or that only pretty girls are good ones.

Films and books are make believe and so long as you have a balance of experiences in their lives they will grow up just fine.

5foot5 · 31/05/2023 10:16

MiddleParking · 31/05/2023 09:09

Sorry but I am laughing at an allegation of overthinking anything from someone who’s just written four angry paragraphs about some little kids making noise in the cinema 45 years ago 😂

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😆Ah well you know how us old gimmers have a habit of rambling on about the good old days. 😉

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EverythingsCominUpMilhouse · 31/05/2023 10:19

Wolbarker · 31/05/2023 08:54

Probably not going to let her watch Rolf Harris or Jimmy Saville tbh

This made me laugh 😅

Thanks all for your interesting thoughts ☺️ we're fairly big fans of Disney in this house, wasn't intending to direct my post solely at Disney but those were the main examples I could think of.

I think communication around the stereotypes / what's aged not so well in older programs and movies with kids is important. And I agree with a PP( far worse that could be found on the internet than on Disney for example.

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rolloverbeethoven · 31/05/2023 10:24

I agree with @Sirzy , let's not censor, but perhaps discuss things afterwards (not during, for goodness sake! How annoying! ). However, letting DS buy Viz to read on a journey because I was in a hurry and thought it was a comic...

Outofthepark · 31/05/2023 10:26

You're overthinking it all OP. Just let the kids relax and enjoy. The way we view things as adults is completely different.

First time I saw Rocky Horror as a kid I didn't even get any of the sex references and it was full of grown men dressed in lingerie singing about being transvestites😂Not that I'd let my kids watch it until they're older but just saying...

Choconutty · 31/05/2023 11:17

I don't really ban anything - but they self sensor! They don't like scary stuff, flat refused to watch Gremlins, and both immediately leapt up to tell on my ex (pre-ex-ness) one Christmas when he'd put on something (I can't remember what, not hugely inappropriate though ) and apparently it had a scene where someone's eyeball fell out and they'd made him turn it off.

TBH, the modern ones are no better - there was a lot of indignant discussion of Zootopia and the awful messages that conveyed about risk assessment and safeguarding (obviously in kids words, not that language, but they've done plenty of PSHE so know loads of these kind of boundary type things)

BlameItOnTheGoose · 31/05/2023 12:04

Obviously you've got to teach your kids that fairy tales, including those in the form of Disney films, are fantasy and just for fun. I think most children get it.

A degree of parental censorship is definitely required in this day and age. But honestly PG rated animated productions are the least of your worries.

IsleofDen · 31/05/2023 12:16

My daughter watched Snow White at about 5 I think and then spent the next week telling everyone she met that the prince was a weird man that wanted to kiss dead bodies! You can never tell what they will take from stories, just be happy to discuss it with them afterwards.

YesYesAllGood · 31/05/2023 12:40

This is an interesting one for me. I used to watch all kinds of great films when I was my son's age in the 80s (Goonies, Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters etc) but they were always the edited Saturday afternoon TV versions. Bad language and excessive scary bits were cut out. Now, I feel I have to wait for another couple of years for DS to watch them...

lailamaria · 31/05/2023 16:17

i don't think that's fair, she gets married so what, she gets married to a man who loves her and he asks 'what do you need' rather than just charging ahead which funnily enough is what anna does the entire movie blinded by wanting to keep elsa safe, the same anna who also wields a sword in the trailer (why they changed it to a branch is beyond me) anna saves the day and her sister once again by nearly killing herself to break down the bridge because elsa refused to listen, honestly frozen 2 feels like an improvement at least there's no hans locking up elsa, nearly killing anna and no abusive parents locking elsa up and isolating their children

lailamaria · 31/05/2023 16:18

lailamaria · 31/05/2023 16:17

i don't think that's fair, she gets married so what, she gets married to a man who loves her and he asks 'what do you need' rather than just charging ahead which funnily enough is what anna does the entire movie blinded by wanting to keep elsa safe, the same anna who also wields a sword in the trailer (why they changed it to a branch is beyond me) anna saves the day and her sister once again by nearly killing herself to break down the bridge because elsa refused to listen, honestly frozen 2 feels like an improvement at least there's no hans locking up elsa, nearly killing anna and no abusive parents locking elsa up and isolating their children

@Icedlatteplease

lailamaria · 31/05/2023 16:21

i never understood why so many people said the little mermaid and cinderella were anti feminist, cinderella wanted to go to a party and the boyfriend was a bonus, plus she got away from her abusive stepfamily and ariel's whole thing was wanting to go on land again the prince was a bonus, there's nothing anti feminist about princesses wanting a relationship, the main theme of those movies actually is that most princesses parents are abusive and they all escape and get their happy ending

BreviloquentBastard · 31/05/2023 16:22

I wouldn't let my daughter watch Animals of Farthing Wood just because it broke my heart so many times as a child and I still remember each one. It was like Game of Thrones with adorable woodland creatures.

Ruffpuff · 31/05/2023 16:26

My 4 year old boy won’t watch a lot of the ‘older’ Disney stuff. By pure chance his favourites have been The Princess and the Frog, Encanto and Turning Red- I just roll with it, I don’t think I’d stop him from watching anything, but I might add in a few comments if I think it could possibly be a bad influence on him.

lailamaria · 31/05/2023 16:28

i honestly think tv and movies shouldn't be censored especially kids stuff, it's like the demonisation of peppa pig because parents need to find something to blame for their kids behaviour when it's just developmentally normal

Brigitteshittette · 31/05/2023 16:28

Well our tv has a YouTube function that allows a kind of endless scroll of reels . After catching a glimpse of it this morning (I don’t have tiktok) I’m pretty horrified. It starts with prime drinks and mindless life hack shit then melts seemlessly into little films of teens showing off their favourite knives, in pretty colour metallics as if they’re candy. So this is now banned.

KnittedCardi · 31/05/2023 16:49

My DD's watched all the classics. We didn't discuss narratives, because that was 10/15 years ago, so nobody thought it was an issue back in the day.
We also read all the tales together in the originals, inc. Pinnochio (fucking terrifying).

The main one they struggled with was Bambi. Neither will watch it.

They are both, strong, independent women. Who make up their own minds. Just like they went to a Catholic school, but don't believe in an almighty God deity.

So, definitely overthinking.