Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Trial separation advice

20 replies

PPSWife · 25/05/2023 17:03

Hi,

Just want to know about people’s experiences of trial separations and how to manage your own feelings when you aren’t the one who wants it.

My husband and I are about to embark on what I think would be called a trial separation. He has been having a slow motion breakdown and is depressed and anxious. He finds no enjoyment in anything (apart from our children) and feels low about himself. He talks about wishing something would happen to him, but has reassured me he’s not suicidal. He has panic attacks every night and other physical symptoms of anxiety throughout the day. He’s been diagnosed as having anxiety and depression. In the beginning he was in denial about it being a mental health issue and kept saying he was just changing as a person. He was also a bit skeptical about professional help but I’m beginning to see some softening of his stance now as he has negotiated retaining his health insurance through work for a few months and has said when he moves out he will think about seeing a psychologist and also think about having couples therapy. But he seems unwilling to commit to anything until he has moved out and had space to think.

I think all off this has largely been brought on by work stress as he is in a high paid pressured job (he has now resigned and has nothing lined up, seems determined to have a career change but no clear idea about how or what) I’ve posted on here before about how he has issues with his mother that he is very angry with her about. He hasn’t seen his parents for about 6 months now but will send them angry messages. Recently told his siblings he doesn’t want a relationship with them and removed himself from the family whatsapp group. He doesn’t see his friends any more and when he does speak to them won’t give them the full picture about what’s going on (I think because he doesn’t want people to say there’s something wrong with him). He sometimes says he feel he needs to start over and make new friends. And of course there’s me, his wife, whom he has decided he wants to separate from. There were no big fights/arguments, no abuse, no infidelity etc. We were actually very happy before things started going to wrong at work. We still get on, there’s no fighting or tension. In fact he occasionally tries to be affectionate or intimate I think because he’s trying to do ‘normal’ things to see how they make him feel but he says everything is as if the volume is turned down very low. When I try to ask for reasons for the separation he just says his feelings have been ‘eroded’ and when I ask why the only thing he can give me is issues we had 5-10 years ago or his need to be more assertive (which is something I have supported him with). He seems to flip between thinking the problem is him (“If I just remove myself from everyone I have no one left to disappoint”) to thinking the problem is with everyone else. I’ve discussed the marriage in detail with a psychologist and she doesn’t see any significant issues that would lead to a breakdown in the marriage and attributes what he is doing to the breakdown he is going through. All off this is to say before people launch into the “he must be having an affair”- no I really don’t think so, he is having a mental breakdown that encompasses every aspect of his life.

I suffered from a brief period of depression myself a few years back and I felt completely numb to everything and lost all enjoyment (anhedonia). I remember him asking me if I felt anything for him as we had stopped being affectionate and intimate and I told him the truth- I didn’t feel anything. Once the depression ended my feelings returned. I’m actually glad I experienced that because I think it gives me some insight into what he may be going through. Because off this I’ve decided I don’t want to give him an ultimatum because I don’t think any off this is intentional. That means I have to wait and see what he decides and that is very difficult. I’m trying to keep myself as busy as I possibly can. We have put a 6 month timeline on coming to some sort of decision. Neither of us is interested in dating. We will have the children 50/50. I think the right thing to do is to remain out of “hope” but I don’t really know? Just wondered if anyone had been through anything like this and how you managed.

OP posts:
BennyBlancofromtheBronx · 25/05/2023 17:43

Is he in any fit state to be having the DC half the time?

PPSWife · 25/05/2023 17:48

@BennyBlancofromtheBronx He can function during the day despite the anxiety but there are moments when his physical symptoms get bad. The anxiety is more debilitating at night when they are asleep. I have raised some concerns about how they will feel about seeing those few minutes when he’s suffering but he’s told me I’m being dramatic and not willing to talk about it.

OP posts:
Testina · 25/05/2023 17:51

Is it the right thing for the children, to do 50/50? I have one that - for some periods - has chosen it - so this isn’t an uninformed question. But it doesn’t suit all. I would be putting what they need way above what he wants. And of the cynic in me who has been on MN too long has the “CMS avoidance alert” bell ringing 🤷🏻‍♀️

I’m sorry for your situation, bit I don’t much believe in trial separation. He either stays in the marriage and works on it, or he doesn’t. All a trial separation does is get him used to opting out. Split up, remain a supportive friend, and if he wants to re-unite later then consider it then. Don’t put your life on hold for someone not prepared to work on their health within your marriage. By that, I’m not talking about dating! Just mentally not knowing if and when the axe will fall.

wouldthatbeworse · 25/05/2023 17:55

He sounds clinically depressed. I would really push him to speak to the GP again and potentially get some medication and counselling (privately if you need to, cheaper than 2 homes). Not all depression has an external cause. It won’t be a quick fix but I think this could be a salvageable.u

PPSWife · 25/05/2023 17:59

@wouldthatbeworse Yes the psychologist I spoke to (when I was trying to deal with my own shock in the beginning) said it sounded like severe depression based on everything I told her. His occupational health psych evaluated it as moderate depression but he told me he had deliberately held back a lot of stuff so they wouldn’t say he was unfit to work. I am continuing to encourage getting medical help and it he’s not as against it as he was a few weeks ago, but I don’t think he will do anything until he moves out. I think he may be hoping it’s some sort of magical solution but deep down he probably knows it’s not.

OP posts:
PPSWife · 25/05/2023 18:02

@Testina I just don’t know what’s best for the children. I don’t want to keep them from him as I know they are the only thing that gives him any happiness any more. I don’t think he’s avoiding maintenance. He has agreed to cover all of their nursery/school fees so that I can manage the household expenses on my own. As for not putting my life on hold, I’m trying to figure out what that means? Is it about where my head is at?

OP posts:
wouldthatbeworse · 25/05/2023 18:08

I didn’t mean to be flippant. Oh it’s depression get some pills it will go away. I know it’s not so simple. But if he’s willing there is a lot that can be done to help. It sounds like he’s given up which I know is a symptom of the depression itself. Will he let you take charge? Make him
an appointment, go in with him?

PPSWife · 25/05/2023 18:14

@wouldthatbeworse No, he’s pretty clear that he needs to move out before he makes any changes. I can’t convince him otherwise at the moment. Even stuff like going to the gym which he recognises is good for his mental health and something he needs to do, is something he is delaying re-starting until he moves out. He says he knows he needs to do it and he also has the time now that he’s quit his job, but he lacks the motivation. He has started cooking again after several months off not doing it so that something positive. It was something he always really enjoyed, but now he says it brings him no pleasure but he does it in order to try to see if he can feel the pleasure again.

OP posts:
HT56 · 25/05/2023 18:15

what meds is he on?

PPSWife · 25/05/2023 18:32

@HT56 No Meds

OP posts:
Landlockedlover · 26/05/2023 10:22

Check out the depression fallout forums

Testina · 26/05/2023 14:29

“I just don’t know what’s best for the children. I don’t want to keep them from him as I know they are the only thing that gives him any happiness any more.

Be very careful with this. Look at the way you’ve phrased that. It looks like you’re about to say because they love him, or he loves them. But you actually present them as some kind of “medicine”. Nothing about his current state of health suggests that 50/50 with him will be in their best interests. Don’t make them young carers.

Littlewhitecat · 26/05/2023 14:39

He sounds very unwell OP and it sounds awful for you and the kids. Cutting himself off from everyone doesn't sound like a great solution. Is he open to seeing the GP?

PPSWife · 26/05/2023 19:38

@Testina I don’t think it would be right to call them young carers. They are far too young to care for him. They would likely see him vomit during the day because of his anxiety but once that passes he’s able to function.

@Littlewhitecat No, he’s not willing to see anyone until he moves out. I think he knows once he realises removing everyone he possibly can hasn’t worked he will have no choice but to get medical help/

OP posts:
raffegiraffe · 26/05/2023 19:51

I'm sorry you are in this situation. I really think he needs medical help.
I wonder whether he would try st Johns wort as a first start? It does have side effects and interactions with other meds but sometimes people will try it when they won't see a GP. Might be worth a conversation. I've often found men agree to this before agreeing to try prescription meds and it does have an evidence base

Findyourneutralspace · 26/05/2023 20:05

I know 50/50 sounds like a fair split between you but I wonder if that is best for the children. How old are they? Mine always found transition between two homes (and two different styles of parenting) really tough. It was always easier to have them home in the week and visit dad at the weekend - although when they were little they went after school one night midweek, then home for tea, bath, bed.

He sounds like he’s struggling and feels space is what he needs. The reality may be different, but who knows? I’m afraid ‘trial separations’ haven’t ever really worked for anyone I’ve known.

What jumps out is that your post is very focused on him, which as a loving wife is totally understandable - but what about your needs?

Do think about what is best for you and the children too. While it’s not necessarily his fault that he’s unwell, it doesn’t mean the rest of you don’t count. He may or may not choose to have treatment, and I really hope he does, but do look after yourself 💐

PPSWife · 26/05/2023 20:23

@raffegiraffe He’s actually willing to try other stuff. I bought him fish oils, vitamin d and l-Theanine and he’a taken them all but nothing has helped. I’ll look into St John’s wort too and see if it could be helpful. My gut feeling though is is that he’s only going to get better once he finds a new job. He’s a high achiever and his identity is very wrapped up in his career. He also has very high expectations about the lifestyle he wants to give his children. I can’t talk him out off any off this so until he can figure out his career change and starts feeling like less of a “failure” I don’t think there is much hope but who knows maybe some drugs could help.

@Findyourneutralspace The kids are three and four. I’ve never had to think about them splitting time between us and I am completely clueless about what’s best. My husband has always been a hands on dad and we both work from home and are equally present in their lives so they aren’t more attached to one parent really.

If you ask what my needs are, then the honest answer is to have my old husband back, but that’s obviously not possible right now. Other then that I don’t really know what else I need. I’m trying to look after myself by keeping busy and doing things that make me and the children happy. I’m also trying to figure out where I should be mentally about all off this but I just don’t know

OP posts:
Testina · 26/05/2023 20:42

@PPSWife you misunderstand what I mean by carer. I don’t mean that they will be doing care work like cleaning him up or preparing meals. I mean that being placed in the role of “the only thing that gives him happiness” is potentially a huge burden. Being there to make someone happy is not a child’s job, and it can have a negative impact on them.

It’s also quite frightening to be around some people’s behaviour (yes, I was that child) and what you’re saying about him doesn’t sound like he’ll function well as a parent on his own - so 50% might be too much for them.

Them aside, I don’t think there’s anything to be gained here by letting him opt out.

PPSWife · 26/05/2023 20:56

@Testina I don’t feel that there are grounds for denying him access to his children. It would be different if he couldn’t get out of bed, ignored them, was angry and violent etc. He continues to be a good, hands-on father to them and I’m not going to deny him his children, unless I feel that he can’t look after them properly.

OP posts:
raffegiraffe · 26/05/2023 21:12

That's good he's willing to try things. He seems like he's made changes to try and help himself by leaving his stressful job
My opinion is that even if depression starts off as a reaction to a situation, it is still chemical in a sense, and so increasing neurotransmitter availability can help a bit

New posts on this thread. Refresh page