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Horses- yard drama. Help!

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Clipityclopity3 · 19/05/2023 10:55

I’ve got my beautiful 2 horses at a yard that until recently has been perfect. But the atmosphere has changed recently and I feel so miserable there. But I can’t change yards as it’s best for my horses and no other nearby yards offer full turnout throughout the year, so I have to stay here because it’s best for my horses.

I’ve always just kept myself to myself- my horses are on full livery so I don’t go to the yard everyday. They are ridden 3 times a week on average but are fit with it, and they are turned out all the time too which helps. Nobody has ever passed any judgement on my routine until recently.

A new livery moved in around 3 months ago. She is nice but the atmosphere has changed significantly. She likes to do everything together and at times I will school or hack or go out for lunch with them, but generally I like to go to the yard and work myself and sort my horses and go home. With a stressful job it’s my happy place to go to the yard and have some quiet time just with my boys. I’ll always be polite and chat away but I’m a quiet person anyway and I just like to have some me time with my horses so I’m happy to hack or school together sometimes, but other times I want to do it myself. But she calls me rude because of this and seems to think I’m antisocial, and that I should always want to do things together. She’s never liked me- she would say that I’m shy and hard to talk to, but we would make small talk but it was always me being interested in her and she would completely ignore me and then the conversation would just die because she wasn’t reciprocating it.

I was just being polite and accepting we will never be friends but can be civil, but now she’s been talking about me to the other liveries and she’s popular so people who have always liked me are now really close with her and have been acting differently towards me and talking about me too.

She says I don’t care about my horses which is absolutely unfair but I’m just not a hysterical horse owner and with hers the vet is ALWAYS out, there’s always an issue and nothing is ever simple. It’s now a competition with her and some of her other liveries as to who’s horse is more difficult and expensive and half of the time it doesn’t even need the vet. I don’t judge her for it, but she always passes comments that I’m ‘too chilled out’ about my horse, and ‘do I not understand what to do?’ Err, I’ve had horses for 30 years and just because I don’t call the vet out because they’ve scratched their leg doesn’t mean I don’t care.

Recently we had the farrier out because both boys needed new shoes. We all use different farriers at the yard and don’t call them out in sync. Unbeknownst to me, she uses the same farrier and had contacted for an appointment that week. She had been offered the same day as mine and that it would be discounted because he was already coming out to me (farrier is fantastic and would have given me the same discount when it came to paying for it) but I didn’t realise any of this. I ended up having to cancel as I was unwell and the farrier still went out to her but it was full price for her as it wasn’t a shared appointment. Now she (and all her friends) have been furious at me and saying I should have told her I was cancelling and that it was full price because of me, but I didn’t even know she had booked in as well nevermind on the same day!

she is always passing judgement that I don’t come up to the yard enough and that my horses are not ridden enough. Nobody else has ever had an issue with my routine until now and everyone just blindly agrees with her and they’ve all been talking about me.

Ok, you probably get the idea. The atmosphere has changed and I’m miserable going up there now. But my boys are happy and there’s no other yards with turnout as good as this. How do I toughen up and let all this nonsense brush over me so I can keep my horses there without me being miserable?

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Newyeardietstartstomorrow · 19/05/2023 11:53

Sympathies op. Livery yards are one of the worst places for bitchy behaviour, probably more so than the school gates. I was lucky enough to have my own stables, so didn't need to use them apart from meeting friends for a hack out or as a competition visitor.
Wear statement "don't talk to me" bright red Dre Beats, politely acknowledge others and focus on you and your horses.

Bluebells1970 · 19/05/2023 11:54

I can't bear forced interaction with anyone let alone someone that annoying.

If you don't want to be blunt, just stop answering.

HadEnough2023 · 19/05/2023 12:00

"My horses, my choice. Fuck off."

Liveries are awful for bitchy behaviour, keep your head down and don't engage other than a polite hello. If they try engaging further "sorry I'm really busy catch you later.0

DumboLives · 19/05/2023 12:08

How do I toughen up and let all this nonsense brush over me so I can keep my horses there without me being miserable?

Literally toughen up. She is a bully - stand up to her. Tell her to wind her it in, keep her opinions to herself and if her horses need the vet that often clearly she does not have a clue how to care for them and follow up with a formal complaint to the yard manager. This individual may not be as popular as you think.

britnay · 19/05/2023 12:09

Please talk to your YO!!
I have a livery yard and would hate it if one of my liveries was being treated like this. I have no time for bullies.

Mumofnarnia · 19/05/2023 12:25

I used to have horses a long time ago and I found the whole horsey world to have the most backstabbing, childish, judgemental and bitchiest people I’ve ever come across in my entire life. People judging because of how you do your horses bed (god forbid there was a piece of straw out of place), people judging for apparently not riding the horse right, not tacking them up right, using a certain bit that doesn’t meet their approval, leaving your horse out too long, not leaving your horse out long enough, not grooming to their oh so high standards, judging how you muck your horses out (yes seriously), if you bought your horse a new rug everyone had to comment on it! But the very same judgemental people are oh sooooo nice to your face! Hyprocites!

I eventually sold my horses due to the yard owner passing away and everyone had to leave. I can’t say I’ve ever looked back or that I even miss it to be honest.

Just ignore her. Speaking from experience, if you have it out with her then she will most likely try to turn everyone against you even more and will make you feel even more comfortable when you visit the yard.

CalistoNoSolo · 19/05/2023 12:26

I don't understand why you haven't spoken to the YO about this. As a long term full livery x2 you will be of immense value to the business. I also don't understand why you haven't told the other livery to fuck off already. You're a grown up paying around £1200 a month to be miserable. Only one person can sort this situation out and that would be you.

WiddlinDiddlin · 19/05/2023 12:40

Can you have a tack room white board for things like farrier, shared vet visit days etc so anyone can look and see whose booked what, if someone has cancelled something.

I'd just tell her 'I come here to relax and be with my horses, not to socialise with more humans, I have plenty of friends for that already thanks!'. The good old 'if I wanted your opinion, I'd have asked for it' sounds relevant here too.

howdoesyourgardengrowinmay · 19/05/2023 13:07

Clipityclopity3 · 19/05/2023 11:28

Excuse me?

Just ignore this stupid comment. Get some practice in 😀

Newuser82 · 19/05/2023 13:11

CaveMum · 19/05/2023 11:05

You need to talk to the yard owner/manager NOW. This is exactly the kind of thing they should be managing and keeping on top of.

A stern “If you have concerns about the welfare of any of the horses in the yard, these must be raised with yard manager in the first instance. Bullying will not be tolerated.” message by text/email to all liveries might help to nip it in the bud.

Is agree with this. This shouldn't be allowed to happen. Speak to the yard owner and hopefully they will sort things for you.

HighlandCowbag · 19/05/2023 13:20

Like others have said, speak to yard owner in the first instance. Ours absolutely would not stand for this shit.

In the meantime just ignore completely other than being polite. I'm a bit of a loner as well, and always ride alone. I just lie and say 'oh no, dpony hates hacking with others, sorry'. Or that I am phoning dd while I'm riding and nothing worse than someone yacking on phone while you ride and I've already arranged to call at this time.

If you get comments just politely ask what they mean, they will soon get flustered and just point out your horses, your business and unless they are suffering in any way, absolutely nothing to do with anyone else.

Maddy70 · 19/05/2023 13:25

I would ask her to go for a coffee and hsve a chat

Ask her why she is being like this with you. She sounds a busy body but doesn't understand that some people are different

Failing that have a word with the yard manager and say your are not appreciating the Constant commentry and ask what is she /he going to do about it

foxlover47 · 19/05/2023 13:30

@Mumofnarnia you are my literal spirit animal
Liveries have been nothing but a mental drag for me I now have a paddock to rent thank heavens and you couldn't pay me to go back to that kind of yard ever again

HoleyShit · 19/05/2023 13:30

and this is one of the major reasons that I don't have horses anymore.

Livery yards are horribly toxic places imo. Too many loud mouthed, opinionated busybodies.

You really need to move yards because it will get to the point where you don't want to go to the yard full stop and then you're paying a fortune and not getting any enjoyment.

If you really can't bear to move then you could try and go when she's not there if possible or you're gonna have to learn to ignore all of these stupid bitches!!

foxlover47 · 19/05/2023 13:36

Op as @HadEnough2023 said they are your horses so she needs to fuck off
I think as this is on a general thread a lot of nice normal mumsnetters will be offering reasonable options such as chatting to her , a coffee etc
Put this post in the tack room aswell it get it moved over
I was on a new lovely yard last year the one woman there made me so miserable , she literally made the atmosphere so heavy , I'm now in a paddock because I stupidly allowed myself to start second guessing my own self after all her back handed comments and sly digs etc
24/7 turnout is a huge bonus for a livery yard I totally get that but being miserable is affecting your quality time with your boys and you are paying a lot of money to feel shit
Full livery is what you're paying for so how can you not be doing enough for them ?! Wtaf is full livery for then ! You're literally paying for the service.
I could spout the usual it's more about her than you because it is but that isn't helpful when someone is draining your life to the extent she is.
Definitely talk to the yard manager / owner too
I also left as it was expensive and I was lucky enough to find grazing to rent but I can't lie the added pressure off from not being judged was a huge incentive
Good luck and like it's been said ... tell her to worry about her own horse yours are more than loved and cared for

CeliaCanth · 19/05/2023 13:41

Don’t panic - don’t let her drive you away from your yard. It’s so difficult finding a good one and it would be wrong to move and unsettle yourself and your horses just because of her. I’m 100% certain that the other owners will have seen through her or will shortly do so, so keep your head down and bide your time.

Is there an involved yard owner/manager? They won’t want a client who’s been happy there for a while - and has two horses on full livery - to go elsewhere. Our manager is also very keen to ensure a peaceful and amicable atmosphere on the yard too, so it might be worth a discreet word.

Febb · 19/05/2023 13:46

"Never take on board the criticisms or opinions of those who you wouldn't go to for advice"

That's my mantra when managing other liveries. There are people on my yard I don't speak to because I just can't be arsed and don't like them. Maybe people don't like me, I don't care. I go to be with my horses not to socialise. I'm sorry one person is making you feel crap, ignore, she will cause drama and move on soon enough, these types always do.

RandomMess · 19/05/2023 13:57

I wonder how many yards she's been asked to leave!!

Mumofnarnia · 19/05/2023 13:58

foxlover47 · 19/05/2023 13:30

@Mumofnarnia you are my literal spirit animal
Liveries have been nothing but a mental drag for me I now have a paddock to rent thank heavens and you couldn't pay me to go back to that kind of yard ever again

Yes a paddock by yourself is a good idea! Keeps you away from all the bitches and backstabbers. I found that even if you socialise and be friendly to other people on the yard they still find some reason to bitch about you to someone else.

50pants · 19/05/2023 14:22

Mumofnarnia · 19/05/2023 13:58

Yes a paddock by yourself is a good idea! Keeps you away from all the bitches and backstabbers. I found that even if you socialise and be friendly to other people on the yard they still find some reason to bitch about you to someone else.

This all sounds awful. Sorry, selfish question but should I discourage my dd from her pony hobby? She was hoping join pony club next year and has been riding for a few months long it. Are other hobbies this bitchy? 😓

50pants · 19/05/2023 14:23

This all sounds awful. Sorry, selfish question, but should I discourage my dd from her pony hobby? She was hoping to join pony club next year and has been riding for a few months. Are other hobbies this bitchy? 😓

HurryShadow · 19/05/2023 14:27

howdoesyourgardengrowinmay · 19/05/2023 13:07

Just ignore this stupid comment. Get some practice in 😀

I wonder if LYB (Livery Yard Bitch) is called (Horsey)Mel...?! 😂I hope so!

Sorry your sanctuary is being invaded OP. I agree with others - speak to the owner/manager and then just focus on your own horses.

If you do speak to anyone else in the yard, just have a phrase ready - "I'm not sure what NewHorseLady's problem is with me. I'm just doing what I've always done and no-one's ever had an issue before. Perhaps I'm just an easy target for her bullying" then go about your tasks/riding.

It really does sound like none of them have grown up since they left secondary school!

twistyizzy · 19/05/2023 14:27

50pants · 19/05/2023 14:23

This all sounds awful. Sorry, selfish question, but should I discourage my dd from her pony hobby? She was hoping to join pony club next year and has been riding for a few months. Are other hobbies this bitchy? 😓

No definitely don't discourage her. It is adult liveries towards other adult liveries who are the issue, and they are a small minority. Riding is a brilliant hobby especially for teenage girls. PC can be monopolised by certain types but my DD is at a PC centre (rather than a branch) because she doesn't have her own pony and it is the most inclusive and friendly yard ever.

Acheyknees · 19/05/2023 14:48

You could always try 'the vet here again?what is it this time?'

EvilElsa · 19/05/2023 15:02

Sounds absolutely par for the course for livery yards....and 90% of the reason why I won't have another horse at the moment. Most of them are bitch central with a good scoop of drama thrown in. I've luckily never been involved in any yard silliness, but got sick of hearing it when I just wanted to do my horses and leave. It's a hobby and should be enjoyed and in the end it was a chore and like being back at secondary school.
Don't get me wrong, I know some lovely horse people. I'm still heavily involved in the showing world, but I just won't ever own again until I have my own land.
If I was you OP I'd speak to the yard manager...as a long term no trouble full livery with two horses I'm sure they will want to retain you. Other than that just keep your head down and get on with things. Don't engage with any nonsense. With people like that all they want is the drama and a chance to be the victim. If you don't give them anything they soon give up. Alternatively can you cherry pick times when the dick head won't be there? I did that for a long time and it really helped. I knew the main perpetrators schedules and arrived as they were leaving or arriving.