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To not want to see somebody shooting a gun from my kitchen window?

227 replies

Staffielove23 · 14/05/2023 21:36

We back onto a field and the farmer is literally going round with his gun shooting at ‘I’ve no idea what’. Is this legal to do this so close to somebody’s house? We can see him so we are in the firing line. I mean, I know he wouldn’t intentionally shoot as us but what if he gets us while aiming for something else, I know the farm was here before us, etc but I feel slightly unnerved as my children play out in the garden in the evening times with the lighter night, and there’s loads of other fields behind this one that don’t directly back onto people’s houses.

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Staffielove23 · 14/05/2023 22:35

pontipinemum · 14/05/2023 22:31

We're farmers, but most of our land isn't near anyone. But apart from very occasionally the rifle is not taken out. Are they crop farmers? They could be scaring off crows. Can you see his gun? It might be an automatic 'crow banger' it goes off to scare the crows and sounds like a gun.

Do you know who owns the land? I can totally understand not approaching a stranger with a gun. But maybe try and contact them and ask them to send a text if they are shooting near your house. I wouldn't have a problem with doing that. Just asked DH he said he would no issue with a person asking for a little bit of warning before he goes out with the rifle. (Diff story if they told him he couldn't)

It’s a field with lambs and sheep, and they have cows too. Thanks for asking your DH about it. That’s not a bad idea.

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whumpthereitis · 14/05/2023 22:35

Staffielove23 · 14/05/2023 22:15

Your ownership of the land does not mean you are above the law, or have the right to cause fear, alarm and distress to people. The link stated it’s an offence under common law if someone is inconvenienced or disturbed.

Your definition of ‘inconvenienced or disturbed’ isn’t necessarily going to be the same as what legally constitutes inconvenienced and disturbed.

you can speak to him and request he be mindful of your children and pets, and/or pre-warns you so you can get them inside, but if he’s acting within the law you can’t prevent him from shooting on his own land, no matter how unreasonable you may think he is.

YukoandHiro · 14/05/2023 22:36

He's shooting rabbits or foxes.
You've just reminded how much I absolutely hated living in the countryside. Waking up to the sound of animals being shot for a laugh on a Sunday morning was a real low point.

parietal · 14/05/2023 22:38

saltinesandcoffeecups · 14/05/2023 22:13

Oh good lord. You either have friends that overreact or they live in the middle of a forest.

Yes if you go wandering in the woods during hunting season it’s a good idea not to wear the hat with antlers and to wear blaze orange.

Most cities have ordinances that prohibits gunfire within city limits. So if they live anywhere other than rural they are overreacting.

they lived on the edge of a major forest, 15 mins outside a lovely small town. but it was hunting country.

Withnailandeye · 14/05/2023 22:40

Staffielove23 · 14/05/2023 22:31

I will not approach someone whilst they are in possession of a firearm.

Just ask around the village tomorrow if you don’t know where he lives and go to see him about his concerns, rather than reporting him to the police for acting lawfully on his own land. I’ve never read anything so entitled before.

Florenz · 14/05/2023 22:40

OP would you rather have your house overrun with vermin?

Thatbloomindog · 14/05/2023 22:40

is it a new build house on an estate and your house happens to back on to the farm land that remains?

Withnailandeye · 14/05/2023 22:41

Staffielove23 · 14/05/2023 22:35

It’s a field with lambs and sheep, and they have cows too. Thanks for asking your DH about it. That’s not a bad idea.

So probably shooting corvids to protect lambs from having their eyes pecked. There is a code of practise on basc website for shooting fyi.

Cherryblossoms85 · 14/05/2023 22:41

Hmm i was with the OP initially but the overall tone is a bit U. She can just go round his house and ask him to text her first next time as suggested by PP. Instead she's phoning the cops, just to amp up the aggro with a neighbour?

Staffielove23 · 14/05/2023 22:42

Withnailandeye · 14/05/2023 22:40

Just ask around the village tomorrow if you don’t know where he lives and go to see him about his concerns, rather than reporting him to the police for acting lawfully on his own land. I’ve never read anything so entitled before.

Entitled not to get shot at. Yeah, ok. I’m not sure about approaching him just based on some of the responses on this thread. People getting pretty angry at legitimate concerns. Best to let the police deal with it imo.

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Sererus · 14/05/2023 22:43

Is this your first time living near a farm? Or did you not know your garden backed onto a farm when you bought the house l?
FIL is fairly regularly out shooting to protect his livestock, I don't think any neighbouring properties have ever worried he's going to shoot them in their garden. 🤦‍♀️

Florenz · 14/05/2023 22:44

What do you think the police will do?

pontipinemum · 14/05/2023 22:44

Staffielove23 · 14/05/2023 22:35

It’s a field with lambs and sheep, and they have cows too. Thanks for asking your DH about it. That’s not a bad idea.

I hope there are not loose dogs about 😐

Def contact them tho, and say it make your uncomfortable and if possible could they please send a text. I think a lot of farmers I know would.

You might see him out there sometime without his rifle. I'd be with you on that one. I would never approach a stranger who has a rifle.

TheOriginalEmu · 14/05/2023 22:46

Just because you can see him, it doesn’t follow that you are in line of fire. Unless he is shooting AT your house then you’re fine.

Staffielove23 · 14/05/2023 22:47

pontipinemum · 14/05/2023 22:44

I hope there are not loose dogs about 😐

Def contact them tho, and say it make your uncomfortable and if possible could they please send a text. I think a lot of farmers I know would.

You might see him out there sometime without his rifle. I'd be with you on that one. I would never approach a stranger who has a rifle.

Actually the neighbours dog keeps jumping the fence and getting into the field 🤦🏻‍♀️ I phone them everything time I see it but they still haven’t raised the fence

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MrsAvocet · 14/05/2023 22:48

Our house backs onto a farm. There's our garden, a wire fence, and then their fields. Occasionally we see our neighbour in his fields shooting. Generally he's after a fox which is fine by me as it helps keeps my chickens safe as well as his lambs, but sometimes it's a cull of the large number of jackdaws that live in the trees. I don't like that, because despite the noise and the mess I am rather fond of them, but I assume he has a good reason for doing it, I don't think he has time to be shooting them for fun.
There's probably a good reason why your neighbour is shooting when and where he is OP. Personally I would go round and ask - you don't have to do it whilst he is actually shooting, just call in at the house and have a conversation. That way you will hopefully get the issue resolved and stay on civil terms. Calling the police may not achieve either of those things.

Sererus · 14/05/2023 22:48

Oh ffs OP you aren't being shot at. Calm down.
By all means call the police, they'll be very amused concerned I'm sure.

😂

Withnailandeye · 14/05/2023 22:49

Staffielove23 · 14/05/2023 22:42

Entitled not to get shot at. Yeah, ok. I’m not sure about approaching him just based on some of the responses on this thread. People getting pretty angry at legitimate concerns. Best to let the police deal with it imo.

You’re getting responses like this because you are being unreasonable. Just because you can see him from your property doesn’t mean you are in any harm - I shoot and your post reads as completely unreasonable.
https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2013/01/rights_of_way_access_england_wales_2012.pdf

https://basc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2013/01/rights_of_way_access_england_wales_2012.pdf

RegimentalSturgeon · 14/05/2023 22:51

The only way your children/cats/chickens/backside will get ‘caught in the crossfire’ is if the vermin are shooting Bach. On the face of it, this seems unlikely.

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 14/05/2023 22:52

Staffielove23 · 14/05/2023 22:31

Everything I have read seems to suggest that my right to feel safe in my home and garden trumps his right to shoot. I will wait until morning and phone non emergency police for advice. He probably just needs a reminder of his legal responsibilities not to cause alarm or inconvenience.

Your definition of "alarm and inconvenience" won't be the same as the legal definition.

He has every right to shoot pests on his land. If you don't like it, you're living in the wrong house.

RegimentalSturgeon · 14/05/2023 22:52

Shooting Bach? Ffs. Back. Shooting back.

frankgu · 14/05/2023 22:53

is if the vermin are shooting Bach. On the face of it, this seems unlikely.

playing Bach surely but yes unlikely!

Joelijane · 14/05/2023 22:53

No way, I'd hate this too, what a stress. What do you think you'll do?

Staffielove23 · 14/05/2023 22:56

Florenz · 14/05/2023 22:44

What do you think the police will do?

I’m just phoning to get some advice.

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EssexCat · 14/05/2023 22:56

NotmykingEatCake · 14/05/2023 21:58

OP you're perfectly reasonable to be unnerved by this, ignore the condescension from other posters. I grew up in the country, it's not normal for farmers to be dicking about with guns near houses, this guy sounds like a Tosser.

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If we’re talking anecdotally I also grew up in the country (and still live reasonably rurally) and farmers with guns on THEIR OWN land is pretty normal and acceptable.

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