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Mustnotbeleftblank · 12/05/2023 08:19

Selling a probate property, due to exchange and complete today. Agreed price was £20k less than asking/previous purchase price and included all furniture. Ours was the show home apartment, and another was put on the market which is empty, much smaller and in a less favourable, dark and dingy aspect at £20k lower than our agreed price 🙄 this flat is with an EA who persistently undervalues these properties which is why I did not use them.

Received a call from our Estate Agents yesterday. Buyer still wants our apartment but now wants to pay the same as the cheaper, crappier one or he'll withdraw and buy the other apartment. I am properly pissed, but offer £10k off to get it past the line.

Buyer is firm, £20k less or he'll walk.

I think the buyer is trying their luck, the other property was marketed in March. I've seen the buyer at the building whilst clearing out the property, I know they've been to look at the other flat long before this week and I suspected that he would try something like this at the last minute. I am also confident it's our flat he wants, just at the crap flat's price.

I've made them wait for my response, and having slept on it I am of the mind to hold firm on the £10k drop, requiring immediate exchange to stop him dicking about, or deal's off. If he walks, I will still have the property to remarket as well as all the furniture the buyer wanted included in the sale which will cover fees to date, and he'll have taken the competing property off the market.

AIBU to not reduce further and wish them luck with the other property if they withdraw, or do I suck up losing £20k?

Selling a property in England sucks.

OP posts:
Schroedingersimmigrant · 12/05/2023 13:37

The system in England really needs to change. It's ridiculous people can agree something, everyone spends money and then everyone can either do this or fuck off after months of process

Hairpinleg · 12/05/2023 13:40

Be prepared for the EA to tell you that you won't get a better price by relisting it. It's their standard line when they are too lazy to start again or their buyer friend is offering them a backhander if they can talk you into the lower price.

GuestStars · 12/05/2023 13:44

I would drop the 10k either. Remarket.

GasPanic · 12/05/2023 13:46

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 12/05/2023 13:20

How much do you care about anyone else to give them 20k of your money when you think don't have to ?

To me he gives off signs that he is an investor who wants the best return on his money and is willing to behave aggressively.

If you don't like this sort of person, probably not a good idea to accept an offer from an investor in the first place. Your agent should be able to provide the buyers background at the point of offer.

It's all very well saying not to accept an offer from an investor, but he outright lied in the first place, by claiming that he was buying it for his mum (presumably not on commercial terms) when he clearly is an investor - and a deceitful one at that. Investor or not, I wouldn't want to try to deal with a shameless liar; but unfortunately, it tends to go with the territory that dishonest liars don't tell you that they are dishonest liars upfront.

He isn't 'giving OP £20K of his money' - he's buying a property at an agreed price. I don't 'give' Asda loads of my money each year - I get food and goods in exchange for it all, all at agreed prices. Nobody forced him to agree to the price that he offered, or indeed to buy the property at all.

I completely understand hard-nosed business, and there's nothing wrong at all with negotiating furiously to get yourself the very best price that you can - but you do this before you make the deal and not once you've shaken hands on your agreement. The former is business; the latter is dishonesty.

Provided you're prepared to accept my bagsy outranks your handshake we're all good.

No chinny reckons in response either.

Vermin · 12/05/2023 13:47

OP - as a probate sale, presumably you know that you can’t make these decisions alone unless you’re sole executor? Just bear in mind that the beneficiaries (if you aren’t sole beneficiary as well) have the right to question these decisions if they’re compromised by them.

Mustnotbeleftblank · 12/05/2023 13:49

Iwasafool · 12/05/2023 13:15

Just looked at the details for one of the flats that has been on the market since 2021, listed early in the year so empty for over 2 years. The ground rent and management charge is over £2k a year, then there is council tax and then multiply it by 2. They still don't have a buyer and the money is draining away.

This is also true, and a key consideration. However the flat would need to be marketed for nearly 7 years for us to realise a loss of £40k putting us in the current position. We could always rent it out in the meantime as well and generate an income from it.

OP posts:
Losingweightissohard · 12/05/2023 13:51

Just to clarify you are holding firm on the original offer no 10k or 20k discount? I’m confused did the buyer offer you 2 k above the 20 k discount he wants?

Hold firm if it was me definitely original agreed price no discounts.

trisfreya · 12/05/2023 13:52

Blossomtoes · 12/05/2023 12:49

I hope your vendor tells you to fuck off.

Me too - what a completly cuntish way to act!

whynotwhatknot · 12/05/2023 13:53

Hmm ea doesnt sound on the level you said no and theyre still offering you a lowere price plus took it off RM when they asked them to

sounds like they know each other

Losingweightissohard · 12/05/2023 13:54

trisfreya · 12/05/2023 13:52

Me too - what a completly cuntish way to act!

This is exactly why I always have a plan B because of people like you. I hope your vendors refuse to sell to you.

Qbish · 12/05/2023 13:56

A CF tried something similar with us. I held firm. They paid up.

Keep strong!

sheworemellowyellow · 12/05/2023 13:58

Stand firm. Do not let this man or the EA bully you. Remember, location location location. Your flat is in a better location than the other one. Let him buy that one if he can't afford yours. He'll be doing you a favour by setting a floor for your flat. You're obligated to nobody but the deceased's beneficiaries, you must maximise your sale price. Hold your nerve.

Mustnotbeleftblank · 12/05/2023 14:00

Yes, am aware. All equally as outraged by the CF.

OP posts:
howdoesyourgardengrowinmay · 12/05/2023 14:03

SchoolShenanigans · 12/05/2023 08:25

You must be very wealthy if you can afford to drop £20k overnight.

I'd reply, saying what you've said here. They're comparing apples with pears and you've decided you want to sell at original asking price as it's worth that. Take it or leave it and they have an hour to decide.

If you can afford to lose that kind of money on it, you can afford to start over and get a sound offer. They'll regret this, im sure.

you must be a very spiteful and jealous person to make this kind of remark. OP's financial status is none of your business and has no bearing on the current transaction, which the CF buyer is trying to derail.

Thebigblueballoon · 12/05/2023 14:05

Mustnotbeleftblank · 12/05/2023 14:00

Yes, am aware. All equally as outraged by the CF.

Has the EA been back in touch with you, OP? Have you mentioned reactivating the ad today? Don’t leave it until too late in the day.

Donotgogentle · 12/05/2023 14:10

Mustnotbeleftblank · 12/05/2023 13:49

This is also true, and a key consideration. However the flat would need to be marketed for nearly 7 years for us to realise a loss of £40k putting us in the current position. We could always rent it out in the meantime as well and generate an income from it.

That’s a good position to be in then. Empowering to have crunched the numbers.

Iwasafool · 12/05/2023 14:11

Shelefttheweb · 12/05/2023 13:21

It does rather depend on the flat, location, condition etc though. Just like other properties. There are a couple of retirement complexes near me where the flats always sell within a few weeks. I am sure there are others in the same town that would stick on the market.

Actually the two I looked at more closely were very nice, nice bathrooms and kitchens, one was a one bed the other was two bed. Both in nice parts of town, one we have looked at the development previously and it is well kept. I think there are just a lot of them and those two in particular have never reduced the price, generally when they have been on the market a couple of months the price is reduced, often it takes a couple of reductions to sell. I don't know if they actually get the reduced price or take an offer. As I said it probably varies and that is why the OP has to look at the reality where they are selling.

DisquietintheRanks · 12/05/2023 14:11

Rosscameasdoody · 12/05/2023 13:00

Sounds more like 38k. He offered 20k below the agreed price, which was already 20k below the original asking price. Refused to bargain down to 10k and is now offering 2k off the second 20k. Absolute CF !!

If he is then the OP will have no problem with finding another buyer, but the fact that she's prepared to knock 30k off the asking price suggests that it was initially marketed too high.

Honestly OP depersonalise this. You are both trying to get yourselves the best deal. Trying to report him left, right and centre doesn't help w that.

EmmaEmerald · 12/05/2023 14:14

OP "So, update is that buyer has upped offer by £2k"

so, the original £10k reduction is now an £8k reduction?

what an arse.

I don't understand why retirement properties are an issue either.

Identifyingasadolphin · 12/05/2023 14:15

Withdraw the 10k offer

Iwasafool · 12/05/2023 14:15

Mustnotbeleftblank · 12/05/2023 13:49

This is also true, and a key consideration. However the flat would need to be marketed for nearly 7 years for us to realise a loss of £40k putting us in the current position. We could always rent it out in the meantime as well and generate an income from it.

It certainly helps if you can rent it, some developments don't allow it so that makes it hard. You also have to consider the lost opportunity of what you can do with the money in the meantime. Again it is something that will vary some will be really needing the money and others might not be bothered.

Personally I wouldn't buy one as I think there are too many issues.

FuckoffeeBeforeCoffee · 12/05/2023 14:16

Lcb123 · 12/05/2023 10:54

If you need to sell, you’ll have to reduce.
otherwise take the gamble and go back on the market. We are planning to do exactly this to get a reduction, not on exchange day but very close. It’s a very tough market, you have to play hard ball

Please come back and let us know how you get on.

Mummysalwaysright · 12/05/2023 14:16

"Selling (other people's) ... property in England sucks."

Sounds like a nice problem to have. You've inherited a flat from someone, and now you're desperate to flog it so you can spend all the cash so you can take a £10k drop?

Yeah the buyer's trying their luck, but lay off with the "oh poor me" attitude

caringcarer · 12/05/2023 14:16

I'd not let this buyer get away with this shitty behaviour. They would pay agreed price. OR I might after offering a £10k price drop, (I would never have done this) be so pissed off I withdrew from the sale and remarketed the property. If the buyer tries to get it back I'd say sorry but I don't like being held to random. The trust is gone. The goodwill would be gone too. You are already being incredibly generous throwing in all the furniture for free. Stand up for yourself OP.

TucSandwich · 12/05/2023 14:21

Mummysalwaysright · 12/05/2023 14:16

"Selling (other people's) ... property in England sucks."

Sounds like a nice problem to have. You've inherited a flat from someone, and now you're desperate to flog it so you can spend all the cash so you can take a £10k drop?

Yeah the buyer's trying their luck, but lay off with the "oh poor me" attitude

Ooh, here's the buyer.