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3 isn’t a magic number

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SmileyMcSmileface · 11/05/2023 09:09

Looking for some advice on pre teen friendships from those who’ve been through it and to see if IABU or overreacting.

DD is 8 and at a small rural school with tiny class sizes, so there’s just 6 girls in the class. Since they were babies, she’s been best friends with two other girls, and the three of them have always been joined at the hip.

But recently we have started to have tears every morning and night and to hear a lot of, “they’re always leaving me out,” which I didn’t pay much attention to at first, but having seen them out together on a few occasions, she is definitely right. There’s a lot of the other 2 running around holding hands or linking arms whilst DD is left to walk or run behind them; if they have to get into pairs in an activity, they immediately grab each other and then say they’re a team and they’re going to beat DD; she says they “whisper and stare at me in lessons”. We all had a day trip to Cardiff recently and she was so worried about where we were all going to sit in the car, and sure enough the other two wanted to travel together and then laughed because she had to come in my car. It is a bit hard to hear when it makes her upset!

The other mums are two of my closest friends and they’re both very sad about it and have already talked to their daughters about not leaving DD out and being inclusive (but to my mind, once you’ve had to tell someone to include someone else, it’s already a pretty clear sign they don’t really want them there. Not that I’m saying this is permanent of course, I know they’re 8 and things can change on the daily!).

A lot of our social stuff is set up with the 3 of them together as they do classes like ballet and martial arts together. DD is friends with the other girls in her small class and she also has cousins and a big brother she gets on well with.

The AIBU is therefore more for me really as I’ve never done this before! Any tips for how to talk to myself about it as well as DD? How do I cope without saying the wrong thing to DD because if it’s like this at 8, what will 15 be like.

So far I’ve talked to DD about whispering or leaving someone out often being a sign that someone isn’t happy themselves and that it’s not really about her, suggested that she plays with her other friends instead, pointed out to her when she does things herself that aren’t always nice, and told her that she should always try and be kind to everyone and tell me or the teacher if someone is being really mean. But she’s still upset.

Should I just ignore it because they’re 8 and even if it’s been a couple of months, it will shake down? Or stop the play dates and classes for a bit and encourage her to spend that out of school time with the other girls instead? Should I arrange play dates with other children? Is there anything else I can say to DD?

Any wisdom or ideas very gratefully received!

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Brieandbeetroot · 11/05/2023 09:19

Could you take her to an activity where they aren't there so that she can make friends without worrying about them whispering etc?

Also, this is bullying, regardless of the relationship they had previously and it's important that you validate for your DD calmly how unacceptable their behaviour is so that she knows she doesn't have to put up with it or seek their approval in the hopes they eventually invite her back. She shouldn't need to feel she has to change herself or make herself appealing to people who are being unpleasant to her.

Yes friendships are complicated at that age, but I and many others I know have moved between friendships through the years without ever being so unkind or deliberately exclusionary. When I was subject to similar behaviour, albeit as a young teen, my mum prioritised inviting her friends who had other similar aged children to do things together, so that I could spend time with people who weren't aware of what was going on and wouldn't make judgements.

I would also suggest you spend time with your friends separately and don't try to arrange any group outings with the children, it must be awful for your DD being subjected to this and particularly if the other two girls are allowed to behave that way in front of their own parents.

Sorry it is hard to deal with and I know it broke my mum's heart trying to support me through being bullied but I have great friends as an adult so she will get through it.

Seeline · 11/05/2023 09:26

I would discuss with her teacher - it is bullying.
Maybe the teacher can put everyone in different pairs for a while to encourage new friendships and keep an eye out at playtime etc.
I would stop play dates for the 3 of them. Perhaps organise some with the other girls in her class, or just one of the other 2. IME three in a friendship rarely works.
I wouldn't stop the classes if your DD actually enjoys them, but perhaps make your own arrangements for drop off/pick up so she can arrive happy and have a chance to mix with others.

MoggyMittens23 · 11/05/2023 09:29

Poor thing. Definitely arrange other play dates. I had this with dd in her last school. We moved her eventually as we had moved house and it was the best things for her. She now isn’t bothered if one of her good friends doesn’t want to play and just goes and find someone else. So her resilience now is amazing. I realise you probably can’t move schools!! But encourage other friendships for sure. The more she has outside that bubble the Better

Skybluepinky · 11/05/2023 09:31

3’s never work out, there are always arguments and someone is left out.
Can u move her to a bigger school?

MoggyMittens23 · 11/05/2023 09:42

Oh also OP I don’t know if she would be into something like these but dd found them a great comfort at times and still looks at them now. I think it’s nice to know these are common problems and I find these were quite uplifting and empowering

3 isn’t a magic number
Comedycook · 11/05/2023 10:17

How do I cope without saying the wrong thing to DD because if it’s like this at 8, what will 15 be like

At 15 she will be at secondary school and have a much larger pool of girls to make friends with.

My DD was also in a primary class which didn't have many girls in it and it can be problematic.

I'd definitely have a chat to the teacher so they can keep an eye on the situation

SmileyMcSmileface · 11/05/2023 11:36

Thank you all, lots of very helpful stuff here for me to read through carefully. I love the look of the books, I’ll take a look at Amazon.

i must admit, because I’ve known them so long the word bullying hadn’t occurred to me, but some of what I saw does actually come under that heading i think. I’m certainly under no illusions that DD is an angel, but I’ve never seen her put friends down or exclude them quite like this.

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DucksNewburyport · 11/05/2023 11:45

My DD (now 15yo) was in a threesome in primary school. It worked really well for a few years - until suddenly it didn't. I didn't know all the details at the time, as my DD didn't tell me (she opened up later on and I felt very sad that I hadn't realised the extent of it), but I can tell you that in the longer term it has actually been a useful experience for her. From this, she learnt at a young age about having boundaries and not letting friends take advantage of you, and at secondary school she has been really good at stepping away from the girls who are mean or enjoy the drama and finding nice friends who are kind to each other. She hasn't had a boyfriend yet, but I'm hoping that when she does, she will make good use of the same lessons about not putting up with someone who treats you badly.

BlueAndGreen89 · 11/05/2023 11:49

Following this because DD is 5 and started school with her best friend who she has known since they were 3. Once they started in the same Reception class, another girl became friends with them and recently the new girl and DD’s best friend seem to be leaving DD out. I’ve witnessed it at parties and on play dates. It breaks my heart, the look on DD’s face when the two of them skip off without her.

Friends I have spoken to about this have encouraged me not to micromanage her friendships, but I have started to speak with DD about what makes a good friend, and have also set up play dates with other girls in her class. I won’t have DD thinking she’s second best, nor have her thinking that she should accept being treated like this, as little as she is.

I have also made their teachers aware, so they can nip any nastiness in the bud, and to be fair they have been really good at keeping an eye on the situation.

Bournetilly · 11/05/2023 12:02

I would encourage her to play with other girls in the class and arrange some play dates with others. Also maybe try a new activity without the 2 girls there.
Once she goes to high school there will be so many new people, she will make new friends and this probably won’t matter anymore.

HeyDemonsItsYaGirl · 11/05/2023 12:05

pointed out to her when she does things herself that aren’t always nice

Oh please don't do that, it implies that she deserves this bullying because she isn't always perfectly nice.

I mean of course pick her up on unkindness but don't link it to this situation at all.

SmileyMcSmileface · 11/05/2023 12:13

@HeyDemonsItsYaGirl ah don’t worry I didn’t mean in this context. I was trying to say I know that DD isn’t perfect and to tell her when she does things that might upset people too; not just in this threesome. For example she called her grandma “fat” and we talked about how that wasn’t a nice word and would have hurt her feelings. But thank you, it’s a very good point.

It’s so hard when this happens isn’t it? I like the ideas about treating it as a good life lesson, and of course logically we know that friendships change and move on when they’re little. But it’s not easy to see their sad faces, it makes you realise that it really was easier when Mummy could fix anything with a baby wipe or a strawberry or something 🥺

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