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To think inflicting a brain injury should be life in prison?

16 replies

Fifi00 · 11/05/2023 01:24

Angel Lynn's ex got 12 years shes paralysed . I know someone who was kicked repeatedly in the head they now an inpatient in hospital and they will be probably until they die. They have a DNR , severe dysphagia , unstable diabetes and severe mood changes. They are in their 40s and won't be expected to live for longer than a few more years, their attacker only got 9 years in prison.

AIBU to think these crimes deserve life in prison? These criminals has effectively stolen and shortened these peoples lives. Many people with ABI won't ever return to their previous functioning or quality of life.

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Epicstorm · 11/05/2023 01:36

I watched this documentary earlier this evening and it was so upsetting. 12 years is no where near enough.

TrickorTreacle · 11/05/2023 02:02

Agreed. Should be 25 years to life custodial.

MovinGroovinBarbie · 11/05/2023 03:31

In these instances I agree. Especially protracted violent assaults.

But drunk youths having a scuffle outside the pub and one hitting his head? That's maybe a different (but also tragic) situation.

Remaker · 11/05/2023 03:44

I think that punishment should fit the crime, not the outcome. Deliberately kicking someone in the head should incur a significant prison term, regardless of whether it results in an ABI or if they recover.

Gingerkittykat · 11/05/2023 04:03

Angel's abuser was not convicted of throwing her out of the van which caused the head injury, even though it's likely what happened. He was convicted of controlling behaviour, kidnap, and perverting the course of justice.

I wonder if the sentence would have been higher if he had been convicted of throwing her out of the van.

snitzelvoncrumb · 11/05/2023 04:11

The punishment should relate to the damage caused. If someone is killed then you don’t come out of prison. If you ruin someone’s life, yours is gone too. That includes drunken brawls.

snitzelvoncrumb · 11/05/2023 04:12

Any the family of the victim should be able to sue and have costs covered out of any assets.

winteriscoming2022 · 11/05/2023 06:09

As I watched the documentary I did wonder whether, once Angel can communicate what actually happened, could there subsequently be a charge of attempted murder or GBH? Or has the case been dealt with for ever?
Very disturbing viewing

Lougle · 11/05/2023 06:48

They can only sentence on what can be proved. Unfortunately, what can be proved is that she left the van at speed. The reason is disputed and again, unfortunately, the person who could give evidence that it was deliberate is unable to tell her story.

I hope that one day, either using words or assistive technology, Angel will be able to tell her story and that it leads to further action.

hattie43 · 11/05/2023 07:09

This case is horrific . Having watched the documentary her family are amazing . The sentence was so low for the damage he caused . If I was her dad I'd be waiting for him outside the prison gates . Absolutely POS.

Lockheart · 11/05/2023 07:11

He wasn't given 12 years for causing her injuries. He was given 12 years for kidnap.

It was never proven in court whether she jumped from the van or was thrown out, so he was never convicted for causing her injuries.

hattie43 · 11/05/2023 07:11

Lougle · 11/05/2023 06:48

They can only sentence on what can be proved. Unfortunately, what can be proved is that she left the van at speed. The reason is disputed and again, unfortunately, the person who could give evidence that it was deliberate is unable to tell her story.

I hope that one day, either using words or assistive technology, Angel will be able to tell her story and that it leads to further action.

I see this but he started a chain of events leading to her outcome and I wish the courts would recognise that . The nastiness wasn't reserved just for Angel he was horrific to his mum aswell.

Fifi00 · 11/05/2023 09:26

Lougle · 11/05/2023 06:48

They can only sentence on what can be proved. Unfortunately, what can be proved is that she left the van at speed. The reason is disputed and again, unfortunately, the person who could give evidence that it was deliberate is unable to tell her story.

I hope that one day, either using words or assistive technology, Angel will be able to tell her story and that it leads to further action.

Even if she did jump a normal rational person does not lift someone and dump them in a van. Angel would know its likely she would die she was afraid and might have thought the only chance I have to live is to jump out of the van. He is at fault for her injuries because they never would have happened if he didn't kidnap her!

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girlfriend44 · 11/05/2023 10:13

Scumbag, he should be thrown out of a moving van himself, see how he likes it.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 11/05/2023 10:22

If you kidnap someone you should be held responsible for any injuries caused by their attempt to escape.

And of course there needs to be harsh sentencing for causing life-limiting injuries. I don't care if it is a drunken brawl or whatever - if you can't stop yourself seriously injuring people then you are a danger to the general public and need to be locked up.

DinkyDaffodil · 11/05/2023 10:38

It was premeditated and deliberate - but judges can only sentence based on the guidance - this needs changing - or bring back the gibbet !! Seen this creature on CCTV at the police station prior to his arrest - vile creature spewing hatred towards his mother (who assisted his arrest) - he should never walk the streets again

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