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Male member of staff too friendly with female students

49 replies

Namechanged17283 · 10/05/2023 19:38

Have name changed for this. Am questioning my judgment. Please be kind. Am so unsure.

Male member of staff in school. I too am a member of staff. I just feel uncomfortable with the attention he gives female children.

Eg making them jump by grabbing a girls shoulders from behind. Commenting on how lovely they look. Eg their hair. Has only been a handful of occasions but I've felt uncomfortable each time.

He's been there so long and is very well trusted.

Primary school.

It could just be that he's a bit awkward socially. He does seem a bit that way.

Just my spidery senses are alerted when I see these things.

Opinions gratefully received.

OP posts:
Ginger1982 · 10/05/2023 22:15

Hect · 10/05/2023 22:03

Inappropriate based off what you’ve said.

sorry to jump on, might have to start my own thread. I had a female secondary teacher as I was in high school (nearly10 years ago) I was 16 in year 11 and she swapped mobile numbers with me in the term of my GCSEs for moral support and was emailing me on her personal email, would you say this is inappropriate or different? Never reported it

Yes, this is inappropriate.

Bernadinetta · 10/05/2023 22:22

Your school should have a Low Level Concerns policy. Follow it.
(NB Low level concern does not mean less of a concern, but rather means does not pose an immediate threat and does not meet the harms threshold, but still requires investigation and may require additional support and training for the colleague to ensure they are following policy and expectations).

Bernadinetta · 10/05/2023 22:24

Bernadinetta · 10/05/2023 22:22

Your school should have a Low Level Concerns policy. Follow it.
(NB Low level concern does not mean less of a concern, but rather means does not pose an immediate threat and does not meet the harms threshold, but still requires investigation and may require additional support and training for the colleague to ensure they are following policy and expectations).

PS- keep your reports purely factual- exactly what was said, exactly what happened, where and when. Not what you thought about it, how it seemed, your interpretation etc.

Tillyteacup · 10/05/2023 22:29

I was groomed at primary school. Thankfully nothing actually happened but all the touching and compliments was how it started. Please report.

AHugeTinyMistake · 10/05/2023 22:32

Go and see the head teacher first thing tomorrow.

I work in a school and this has been drummed into us from day 1. Any concern, no matter how inconsequential you think it is, tell someone.

It might be innocent, it might not be. But position of trust breaches are so serious they are always dealt with initially by the head/principal.

Mischance · 10/05/2023 22:39

You must speak to DSL. Do it when you go in tomorrow. If you get the "Oh he's known and trusted - we know him well - it's all fine" line, then go to safeguarding governor.

Namechanged17283 · 10/05/2023 23:07

Thanks for the comments. Has helped

OP posts:
Tilllly · 10/05/2023 23:47

Basic SG rule
Never do nothing

QueefQueen80s · 10/05/2023 23:56

If it was so innocent, why just the girls? He is being very inappropriate.

Murdoch1949 · 12/05/2023 23:11

Every school has a creepy male (usually) teacher. They focus on their chosen pretty girls, pay them extra attention. Most of the chosen girls hate it, but some, frequently with unhappy home lives, lap up the attention. It is more dangerous at secondary level. The rest of the students cotton on to it very quickly. Sir being in his room before school helping chosen one with hw, etc. Difficult for school to tackle teacher without evidence, and groomed children back up teacher, until they are older and realise what happened.

ICMB · 12/05/2023 23:23

It’s probably not that deep but if it feels weird then definitely tell the boss/head. It’s your legal duty and even if there’s nothing wrong then at least you can rest assured you didn’t ignore it.

LuluBlakey1 · 12/05/2023 23:27

pickledandpuzzled · 10/05/2023 20:16

You could approach from the perspective of 'It's really important that we treat male and female children the same. Otherwise we leave ourselves open to accusations of grooming or of sexism. We want both boys and girls to have the same sense of bodily autonomy, and avoid teaching the girls to expect men to casually touch them without permission.'

OP please do not do this. Do not speak to him about it. Report it with specific examples, to the safeguarding lead and let them deal with it. That is the correct procedure.

Madeintowerhamlets · 12/05/2023 23:28

pickledandpuzzled · 10/05/2023 20:16

You could approach from the perspective of 'It's really important that we treat male and female children the same. Otherwise we leave ourselves open to accusations of grooming or of sexism. We want both boys and girls to have the same sense of bodily autonomy, and avoid teaching the girls to expect men to casually touch them without permission.'

Excellent advice.

CrapBucket · 12/05/2023 23:29

FFS I hope you don’t really work in a school if you’re this clueless. Or are you hoping people share ‘this is what happened to me’ tales on here?

Jas5mum · 12/05/2023 23:34

I had a teacher visit me in primary before I went up to secondary. He taught me science in year 7 but that was it. He always gave me the creeps. Always happy to see me. When I left year 11 he said I remember meeting you at primary! He made me feel sick.
Anyway a few years ago he got struck off for guess what sexual activity with an underage girl! It was in the news, I literally said to my husband I knew it!

I would keep an eye on him for now and if there's any evidence or event that happens then report to the head.

Goodread1 · 12/05/2023 23:34

Trust your intuition more @Namechanged17283

He could be just socially Arkward or it could be more sinister than that, worst fear,

Either one reason or even both reason. !

It's totally inappropriate behaviour 😳

Not acceptable .

Report to senior staff head Teacher and child welfare safety personnel

Goodread1 · 12/05/2023 23:36

@pickledandpuzzled

Really intelligent and insightful Advice that you have given. !

ThanksItHasPockets · 12/05/2023 23:40

I am glad that you have decided to do the right thing and report your concerns to the DSL.

I am concerned that it took a MN thread to give you the confidence to do it. Your safeguarding training should have been absolutely explicit on this.

Goodread1 · 12/05/2023 23:42

@QueefQueen80s

That's a extremely good point to make what you said. !

RibbitRibbit · 12/05/2023 23:44

Time to refresh your Safeguarding training! Seriously I find it odd that you are posting on here for advice and not even going to your DSL.

Merangutan · 12/05/2023 23:45

These little things can be hard to report because it can feel like you haven’t quite got something to be concretely concerned about so you don’t want to overreact or get an innocent person in trouble.

The best way to reassure yourself that you’re doing the right thing is to remind yourself that observing it made you uncomfortable - more than once - and at the very least, some boundaries need to be formally established.

Reporting any child protection concern at all is important because then you have the peace of mind that you did what you needed to do which was look out for the child first and the adult second.

When adults have trusted access to children and show signs of inappropriate interaction, however minor they might be, raising a concern will never be the wrong thing to do.

I’ve been in your situation (just an older child), had the same pang of worry in case he was innocent but did report it.

RibbitRibbit · 12/05/2023 23:46

LuluBlakey1 · 12/05/2023 23:27

OP please do not do this. Do not speak to him about it. Report it with specific examples, to the safeguarding lead and let them deal with it. That is the correct procedure.

Exactly. Can’t believe someone working with children is posting on here for safeguarding advice, risking being given incorrect information such as this post here 🤦‍♀️

Teapotmonkey · 12/05/2023 23:49

SG is everyone’s responsibility. Trust your gut. If there’s nothing amiss there’s nothing to worry about. In any event girls need to learn they’re valued for more than their looks.
Also document your conversation with HT / other and tell them you are. Don’t regret your desire to keep everyone safe - that’s the point.

piedbeauty · 12/05/2023 23:52

You should know this from safeguarding training? Report it according to your school's rules.

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