The People demand that the Boats are Stopped.

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I keep reading about the Tory government working hard to deliver the people's priorities:

"Rishi Sunak and the Conservative Government are focused on five immediate priorities. We will halve inflation, grow the economy, reduce debt, cut NHS waiting lists and stop the boats."

Halve inflation (will happen anyway), grow the economy (vague), reduce debt (vague), cut NHS waiting lists (maybe by paying nurses and doctors more?), stop the boats (what?).

Maybe it's just where I live, but I'm not seeing this immediate urgent need to "stop the boats". It's certainly nowhere near my top 5 priorities for the government to be immediately tackling. If it was, I'd probably look at creating legal routes for genuine asylum seekers as a first step rather than shipping them to Rwanda.

Is it in your top 5 urgent government priorities? Are they speaking to the people and I've just completely missed it?

YABU: Stopping the boats is in my top 5 government priorities.
YANBU: I'm more concerned about something else and would bump Stop the Boats down the list.

Why would you leave a safe country (France) to risk your life getting to another safe country by boat!??! Well they do it because no one is stopping the vile people organising these trips and making huge amounts of money from it.

How is deporting the odd person from those boats to Rwanda stopping the vile people organising the trips?

Where's the infra going to appear from to meet their needs.

Boat people can't come because
A/ schools
B/ hospitals
C/ housing

Do these plane people not need any of these things?

I just said they pay lots of taxes and put in more than they take! The Hong Kong education system is better than ours!

The government is viewing it as import highly skilled people with good education vs taking in lots of unskilled people whose tax receipts will be low. The government view Hong Kongers are investment.

Fully agree with this.

I just said they pay lots of taxes and put in more than they take!

You also just said that they'd be sending their kids to private school and they're not...

Tbh I think the idea behind Rwanda was always to only do a few flights, word gets out it's happening and people will no longer get on the boats. They interviewed one of the people on the plane and he said if he had known, he would've never got on a boat. Demand stops supply.

I agree. And when I stayed overnight near Dover recently, I saw for myself the small groups of disheveled young men who didn't speak English (I'm assuming boat people) and they appeared quite intimidating, though that probably wasn't their intention.

So though my retirement role is with some of these people, and I hear some tragic stories from very traumatised men and women, I don't see them all through rose coloured glasses or expect anyone else to

I do, however, think that our government should be humane in its response, stop lying to us all, and provide a means of applying for asylum from the countries that these people are fleeing, rather than condemning them to dangerous journeys.

Of course, if they did that, it would be far easier for women and children to get here, instead of just the men. As a forum comprised mainly of women posters, we should be asking our government to put processes in that enable women and children who qualify for asylum to escape safely.

They interviewed one of the men on what plane? There haven't been any flights to Rwanda yet.

Yes there was. It was stopped at the last minute. The people had boarded the flight. The interview was on the BBC.

@saraclara https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61835838.amp

This man was removed from the flight that was cancelled at the last minute. So he had been on the plane.

Isn’t it easier to create new infrastructure with more money coming into the economy? Whether the government actually makes it happen is a different question.

I find some posts here a bit disingenuous.

Of course it’s easier for a host country to accommodate highly skilled and/ or wealthy immigrants, whether they require school places or not.
In most cases they will be paying more taxes and also spending more, supporting local businesses.

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Why facepalm? You don’t think they will be paying more taxes?

The Rwanda deal is £120m plus £12k processing fee per relocated person, plus accepting a number of resettled persons from Rwanda to the UK. Whilst the total number of relocations is theoretically uncapped, the initial commitment is for just 200 relocations.

The risk of being sent to Rwanda is very low. It's not much of a deterrent.

Surgery is Hong Kong plane people

"That 16 per cent of those surveyed say they cannot afford the cost of living for the first 6 months after arriving in the UK.

That, of those surveyed, 73 per cent expect to have difficulty finding accommodation, 57 per cent are concerned about living costs and 48 per cent are anxious about finding employment"

But yeah, the other 27 percent are billionaires 😅

Was meant to say : survey of Hong Kong plane people

You're preaching to the converted I'm afraid. I'm not commenting on whether it's smart or not. I'm just saying that's what I understand was Suellas reasoning.

And their average age is nearly 40. This is not the economic boom you are selling it to be/being sold it as

Thats a good idea.

Thanks. That's clearer now. But clearly the message won't get through to others in the way you hope because, as he says...

"The thing is that during the past six months, because I was in hiding, I was completely disconnected from the news and the outside world - so I had no idea what was going on. I was just desperately trying to get my way out for my safety."

The countries that they are fleeing probably have little news from the UK, if communicating is working at all. And on the journey they simply are very unlikely to hear (or if they do, believe) the news about Rwanda flights.

I would back making it high skilled only invited but yes Hong Kongers have a higher GDP per person than the UK does. They have a culture that pushes academic study so the DC on average will be successful and good taxpayers.
Low crime rates, I'm not sure why we wouldn't want people who would bring wealth and prosperity.

47k of these people don't agree with your economic assessment of them

In a way I hope? What makes you think this is MY hope?! I simply pointed out that's what Suella said was her reasoning. That's what they all banged on about when it was first announced. It's meant to be a deterrent. I'm sure they'll hear once they get to Calais. Spaces on boats are booked and advertised on WhatsApp, Facebook, TikTok. I don't believe this news won't spread if it happens.

They'll risk death but baulk at an unlikely plane ride to Africa?

The dissonance in this thread is crazy

@OneTC What dissonance? I linked an interview with a migrant on the plane that said that.