To be concerned about AI

[PennineWay]

The tech industry has written to world leaders to ask for AI development to be paused.

There are potential risks to society, economy and national security.

AI development is moving fast - faster than governments and leaders are likely to do anything about it or put anything in place. We probably can't stop this from happening at this point - the flood gates are open.

I have very intelligent friends (e.g. with relevant PhDs) who feel that the next 5 years are going to be unlike anything we have seen before, and as humans we are woefully unprepared for what might happen.

I'm concerned and think world leaders should be discussing this and urgently prioritising it. AIBU? Any thoughts?

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@User198446725689 it's not even like a search engine - it doesn't use search engine tools. I have professional info about myself online so I asked it about me. It made up loads of shit and claimed I do things I don't and invented out thin air I book I hadn't written (and neither had anyone else) 🤷🏻‍♀️

We should be extremly concerned.

A decade from now, AGI will exist. We don't have much time left to understand the implications of that technology.

The real danger will be the unintended consequences of AI. There are already programmes that can identify you from a single picture, and within seconds, can pull up every single picture of you that has ever been posted on the Internet. Couple that tech with AGI, facial recognition and an IP address, it gives users the power to instantly find the ID, and physical address of anybody. Privacy will end, I mean this, privacy as we currently know it WILL end by 2030. Your digital footprint WILL be used to control you.

Governments around the world arw not going to let go of this power.

Fifteen years from now, people will be arrested for things they are doing on line right now, perfectly legal things which will become illegal very soon. Teenagers today are being brought up to believe that feelings matter more than truth, and laws are being passed on the back of it. Look at the Public Order bill passed in Ireland last week. It’s an absolute certainty that positive identification of all posters on this site (and every other website) will be available to the authorities by the 2030's.

The same teenagers today who are obsessed with feelings and being offended, will the people in charge. Believe me, they will hunt down anyone who has been identified by the AI algorithm as having posted something offensive in the past. It's coming.

Couple that with digital currency, which is coming whether you like it or not, and you have complete, absolute, total oversight and control of people's lives.

A social credit system will soon follow. If you do anything, say anything, associate with anyone the authorities think is a risk, your credit can be pulled. Access to your bank account denied, historic Internet searches used to score job applications, and so on.

The government WILL literally know what you had for breakfast, where you went last night, who you last stood next to, how much money you have in your account, what you last searched for online.

None of it will be used to help us, it will be used to control and manipulate us. They will say it's to keep us safe from some threat they made up, and we will sacrifice our freedom and liberty to feel "safe".

Yes. It's not designed to be like a search engine - it's designed to respond like a human, and humans sometimes lie and make things up, so that is part of it.

It's completely bizarre, and even the people who designed it do not know the details of how its thinking and processes work.

Interestingly, if you ask it the same question and tell it to respond with the truth, or to respond like a very intelligent and honest person, it is more likely to respond with the truth (but still not 100%).

I didn't start the thread to find information about AI. I started the thread to initiate a discussion and engage people in talking about it today.

This topic needs to be kept current and discussed repeatedly. It doesn't matter how many previous threads there are, this should be kept at the forefront of our thoughts.

People need to be engaged in discussions, educate themselves and raise awareness we are to have any hope.

I am a Chartered Accountant.
I give it 5 years before my career has been wiped out. Not sure what to do then. Dignitas I suppose.

A little bit ott/depressing…

Thanks for posting this discussion thread. That presentation is just scary. AlphaPersuasion, AI friend. Had no idea about these implications.

Chat GPT doesn't think it's not an AGI it's a question and answer programme and it derives its answers from information it finds on the internet and spits it back out in a way that seems like a human has responded. It doesn't lie it makes mistakes as it searches for answers as it is not capable of knowing fact from ficion.

Nonsense. It’s merely a tool, which needs human input in order to operate, and human discernment to decide which outputs are useful and which are nonsense. If you’re worried about AI taking over then you don’t understand it or really know anything about what’s going on.

I read it as Al as in the name short for Alan or something, wondered what you were on about until I read it properly 😄

I think the problem might be a bit exaggerated currently.

However I would encourage my DC to avoid further study towards a career that might be impacted by it in the future.

Sorry but no - if you're not worried then you do not understand or really know anything about what's going on.

The tech industry have sent an open letter to world leaders asking them to pause development because they are concerned.

It is not 'merely a tool', it is something else entirely, and no one really understands what it is doing right now or how it's working and developing. They don't actually know what they have created, it is now at a stage where it is developing itself. That is a worry.

Not saying you're wrong (I am a layperson, not an expert), but I know it's designed to operate in a very similar way to a human brain, and my friend who has a PhD in this subject gave me the information about the deliberate lying which imitates humans.

Our brains derive information only based on the limits of the life experiences we have had. This is not all that different to ChatGPT deriving information from the internet and user input. It makes trillions of connections based on this, and it is making more all the time, in a similar way to a young child experiencing and learning about the world.

The way that it works, the connections it makes, and what it does with that information, are extremely similar to the processes that happen in our brains.

I'm not saying that it is sentient/ alive (although interesting questions to ask as to what that means), but it does essentially "think", and it does learn, and its developers don't know exactly how it does what it does. They cannot trace back the precise connections it makes, or how it learns what it learns, just in the same way we can't see one another's inner thought processes. They don't know what it's actually doing at this point.

It is interesting how similar this is to the way a human brain works, and although it is of course not there yet, the next 5 years are very likely going to lead to some huge advances. We should all be concerned about where that might lead.

The concerns raised by the tech industry about the risks associated with AI development are valid and important. It is true that AI development is happening at a pace that is difficult for governments and leaders to keep up with, and the potential impacts on society, economy, and national security are significant.

It is understandable that you and your intelligent friends are concerned about what the next five years may bring. As AI continues to advance, we may see rapid changes in the way we work, live, and interact with each other. It is essential that world leaders prioritize discussions about the potential impacts of AI development and take steps to mitigate the risks.

However, it is also important to recognize that the development of AI has the potential to bring about significant benefits to society, such as improving healthcare, increasing efficiency in industries, and helping to solve some of the world's most pressing problems. The key is to find a balance between the benefits and the risks associated with AI development.

Therefore, while it may be difficult to pause or slow down AI development entirely, it is important that world leaders engage in discussions about how to regulate and manage AI in a responsible way. This may involve creating ethical standards and guidelines for AI development, investing in research to understand the potential impacts of AI on society, and developing policies that ensure the benefits of AI are distributed fairly and equitably.

In conclusion, your concerns about the potential risks of AI development are valid, and world leaders should be prioritizing discussions about how to manage AI responsibly. However, it is important to also consider the potential benefits of AI and find a balanced approach that ensures the benefits are maximized while the risks are minimized.

I didn't write that. I asked Chat GPT AI to write a response to your post @PennineWay

I cut & pasted it into the Chat question.

What do you think??? 😀

Please can someone list the risks to humans and which bits of tech they come from?

All I can hear in the media is inarticulate panic.

Is there an AI MN-etter yet? You’re welcome, love.

@SunshineLollipopsAndRainbows bless you 🤪

Leaders now need to prepare for an economy where a significant amount of humans are made redundant. Universal income? I'm glad I only have 4 years to work as a lecturer because I won't be needed soon. 😢

@Bananah you are wrong I'm afraid. Read up on it.

I've been working in tech industry for over 30 years. Working with things like cloud computing, big data, AI, quantum computing. The version which is free online is chat GPT version 3.5. that has a very limited amount of data it was exposed to and only up until 2021. Chat gpt4 has date of that is completely up to date and actively scanning the internet as well as self learning on questions and data it receives from users and the internet . My large company has been looking at replacing help desks with it, but you shouldn't put personal or company confidential data into chatGpt, such as making a chart a table or doing analysis on data because it will then soak that data up and may release it to other users until we understand how to set up ring fencing of queries or even have a local version (not sending any data out to the internet but allowing queries on a local ring fence network) which, in a hospital for example, may possibly have downloaded every single medical book ever written and hold all the patient records and symptoms so it can produce diagnoses quickly.
Business insider recently did and appraisal of what jobs could potentially be replaced or supplemented by AI. It's quite an interesting read and a lot wider range than I had ever conceived. Below is just the headlines on each of the different types of people that will be affected and the rationale behind it

https://www.businessinsider.com/chatgpt-jobs-at-risk-replacement-artificial-intelligence-ai-labor-trends-2023-02?op=1&r=US&IR=T
A recent Goldman Sachs study found that generative AI tools could, in fact, impact 300 million full-time jobs worldwide, which could lead to a "significant disruption" in the job market.
Tech jobs such as software developers, web developers, computer programmers, coders, and data scientists are "pretty amenable" to AI technologies "displacing more of their work," Madgavkar said.
Media jobs (advertising, content creation, technical writing, journalism)
Legal industry jobs (paralegals, legal assistants)Market research analysts Teachers
Finance jobs (Financial analysts, personal financial advisors)
Traders
Graphic designers
Accountants
Customer service agents
I was invited to my old grammar school about five years ago and my advice to the 300+ pupils in A level what to think carefully about choosing a career which could not be replaced with AI.

IBM have already invoked a freeze on recruitment for any job that can be replaced by AI, approximately 7,800 people.
https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3219094/ibm-pause-hiring-jobs-artificial-intelligence-could-do

https://www.soocial.com/ai-replacing-jobs-statistics/

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2023/05/02/1172791281/this-company-adopted-ai-heres-what-happened-to-its-human-workers

Interesting times ahead, I'm worried for my three children aged 15 and under. Maybe things like on-site work (surveyors and maybe architects), electricians, plumbers and builders will be good options rather than working with numbers or content creation type work.
It is learning at an exponential rate way above Moors law which is that computing doubles every two years. Especially with the advent of quantum computing made by Google, Microsoft, IBM, and D-Wave which can be thousands or hundreds of thousands of times faster than conventional silicon for certain tasks using quantum tunneling, quantum entanglement, quantum superposition and more applications to come as we increase the number of Qubits.
Probably best not to bury one's head in the sand and hope for the best for some roles, but teach our children for some big changes over the next 20 years. 🤷🏼‍♂️

This sounds completely mad, but a version of it is already happening in China. I don't think it's an inevitability, but without democratic engagement in the development of these technologies it is a possibility

The two changes I’m expecting are a return to offline invigilated exams only, and the internet getting even more clogged with inaccurate dross ‘content’ than it already is. I’m sure those aren’t the most important things but I think the second could have quite an impact - given the ease of producing huge amounts of very low cost and fairly engaging text with no accuracy checks, there’s going to be a lot of bullshit spreading.

There is a very real concern that the entire internet could become completely useless and irrelevant as a result of AI. It could effectively break the internet.

Would be a very interesting outcome, I don't know how we'd recover from that at this stage when we've become so dependent on it.

It's not the biggest worry, but it could definitely happen.

Amazing franchise.

Well, the first two, anyway.