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AIBU?

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For feeling frustrated my daughter refuses opportunities

18 replies

Fruitandclottedcream · 06/05/2023 12:47

My daughter is 9. She's autistic, has ADHD and moderate learning difficulties and specific learning difficulties. She has a typical IQ hence why they're difficulties not disabilities. But school, socialising etc are really difficult for her.
Understandably she has quite low self esteem and wants everything to be "easy". She stops enjoying clubs and refuses to go back to extra curriculars as soon as there's something she finds challenging, or as soon as she receives anything she sees at criticism. It becomes a huge source of anxiety.

My frustration lies in the fact my daughter is also a very good choral singer. She was part of a local church choir. It's a very well known choir, where we live. The are invited to sing in cathedrals in the UK and abroad and a lot of children have got into independent schools on music scholarships etc. It's quite intense as the children practice three times a week plus sing in the Eucharist and evensong. My daughter loved it, and with some support in reading music she was thriving.

The choir master told us my daughter was one of his best singers and on track to do incredibly well. Which to be honest was a relief as she's not academic at all, and I want her to have good opportunities.

But then one of the assistants in the junior choir kept telling my child off for fidgeting in between songs during a church service and told her she needs to concentrate more in practice and stop drifting, which obviously with ADHD is a huge struggle.

After this issue she decided to take my daughter "under her wing", took it upon herself to become my daughter's choir partner (they help the junior choir with reading the music) thus removing the one who spent months building a bond and routine with her and the assistant was just incredibly overbearing in general. So my daughter became incredibly anxious and refused to go back.

I spoke to the choir master about it as ultimately he's in charge and leads the practices and he said it's just the junior choir assistants personality and there are no more issues with my daughter during practice or church services than there are with the other children in the junior choir.

The choir master has given my daughter's choir partner back, said she can go to less church services as she struggles to sit through them with ADHD, but my daughter isn't having any of it. She's point blank refusing to go back, and if anyone brings up going back to that choir she gets incredibly upset and cries that she doesn't want opportunities if she has to go to that particular choir and be around that woman.

At my daughter's request I've put her in a totally different choir, but it's just a community choir that doesn't have any opportunities attached. She also goes to singing lessons now. I won't force my daughter to do something she doesn't want to do because I would rather she enjoy singing. But I just feel so frustrated that she's potentially passed up a lifetime of opportunities without truly understanding. AIBU for feeling like this despite respecting my daughter's wishes?

Apologies this is so long, I wanted to add everything relevent.

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chipsandpeas · 06/05/2023 12:49

dont force her and revisit in say 6 months

Phineyj · 06/05/2023 12:53

I think as the adult you need to work on getting over this (maybe see a counsellor?)

I have a similar daughter who would react similarly in this situation.

Pushing, insisting, cajoling, etc never ever works.

If school isn't much fun for her the last thing you want to do is make extracurriculars full of negativity and stress.

If she's in school and doing a choir with these difficulties...she's doing very well!

LaviniasBigBloomers · 06/05/2023 12:53

It's ok to feel like this, of course it is. My DS also has ASD and isn't particularly resilient to setbacks - I have to keep reminding myself that his resilience shows up by getting up and leaving the house in the first place - but it can be really frustrating for any parent to watch a child not fulfil a talent or potential.

But that all said, there's nothing you can actually DO except vent here, take it down a level (which you have done) and try again in six months or so.

JagerbombsUnite · 06/05/2023 12:59

YANBU OP. Every parents wants the best for their children.
But you're focusing too much on 'opportunities' which I don't think are
Say she got a music scholarship - then a similar thin
Independent schools of the sort that give music scholarships are not likely to want SEN kids anyway. She might not get the appropriate support.,

Be glad she's found something she loves. Work on her resilience. Maybe try getting her into a choir for neurodiverse people. Don't force her into a pressurised environment.

Btw I have ADHD too... look up rejection dysphoria.

JagerbombsUnite · 06/05/2023 13:00

Also to add I have my tricks to get myself back into doing things. But then, this will not work for everyone and depends on how severe it is. It took me a very long time though and a lot of mental effort.

Fruitandclottedcream · 06/05/2023 13:01

Phineyj · 06/05/2023 12:53

I think as the adult you need to work on getting over this (maybe see a counsellor?)

I have a similar daughter who would react similarly in this situation.

Pushing, insisting, cajoling, etc never ever works.

If school isn't much fun for her the last thing you want to do is make extracurriculars full of negativity and stress.

If she's in school and doing a choir with these difficulties...she's doing very well!

I don't feel like I need to visit a therapist or anything. I just feel a little frustrated.

Beyond trying to offer options for my daughter to encourage her to go back, nobody has tried to force her to go back. Hence why she's now in a completely different choir.

The different choir was 100% her choice as well. I asked if she wanted to join another choir or stop choir singing completely. She wanted to join a new one. So we found one she liked the look of.

I'm very proud of her and all she manages, I think it's just frustration about the entire church choir situation. And probably frustration about the assistant ruining it for her !

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Merryoldgoat · 06/05/2023 13:02

I’ve said YABU because you need to let this go. I have a 10yo son with autism, albeit without learning difficulties, and part of accepting him is understanding his motivations and desires are different and things I can ‘get over’ are not the same for him.

You will have an unhappy child if you don’t change and reframe your thinking.

The best way I have found is to support and encourage any interests and praise his perseverance when shown.

He detests drawing. Never willingly drawn anything. Yesterday he decided he wanted to try a drawing tutorial and did a great job.

You have to accept her as she is or you will both be miserable.

Napmum · 06/05/2023 13:04

She's 9. She can go back later if she's as good as choir master thinks. I agree that this pattern of behaviour of refusing to be around people who she doesn't get on with because of how she perceives them as criticising her is an issue.

But you can work on that with stories and other learning opportunities. Maybe consider play therapy for her to explore what makes her anxious and other strategies for dealing with being uncomfortable other than fleeing.

Let her enjoy a less pressured choir and keep enjoying music and singing for now. If she looses the passion she won't succeed because she'll have no motivation

Fruitandclottedcream · 06/05/2023 13:05

Merryoldgoat · 06/05/2023 13:02

I’ve said YABU because you need to let this go. I have a 10yo son with autism, albeit without learning difficulties, and part of accepting him is understanding his motivations and desires are different and things I can ‘get over’ are not the same for him.

You will have an unhappy child if you don’t change and reframe your thinking.

The best way I have found is to support and encourage any interests and praise his perseverance when shown.

He detests drawing. Never willingly drawn anything. Yesterday he decided he wanted to try a drawing tutorial and did a great job.

You have to accept her as she is or you will both be miserable.

Thank you for this perspective. I struggle to see things from certain perspectives because I am also neurodivergent.

I will say, that beyond the initial encouragement to rejoin, I did drop it. She chose to carry on in a different choir and I've embraced that. My daughter doesn't and won't ever know my frustrations around this.

Also well done to your son for having a go at the drawing tutorial 😁

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Merryoldgoat · 06/05/2023 13:08

Honestly - it’s maddening.

After the 1000th ‘WHY DO I HAVE TO REMIND YOU EVERY MORNING TO BRUSH YOUR TEETH??’ I just thought about it.

He hates me shouting so wouldn’t try to make me do it. He’s an intelligent and able but so if he could remember easily he would.

I had to change and I’m still a disaster some days but broadly speaking life is much easier with a quick ‘brush your teeth, chicken’ and everyone stays calm.

Not escalating is the biggest thing I’ve learned. As I say I’m far from perfect but he is who he is.

Fruitandclottedcream · 06/05/2023 13:10

JagerbombsUnite · 06/05/2023 12:59

YANBU OP. Every parents wants the best for their children.
But you're focusing too much on 'opportunities' which I don't think are
Say she got a music scholarship - then a similar thin
Independent schools of the sort that give music scholarships are not likely to want SEN kids anyway. She might not get the appropriate support.,

Be glad she's found something she loves. Work on her resilience. Maybe try getting her into a choir for neurodiverse people. Don't force her into a pressurised environment.

Btw I have ADHD too... look up rejection dysphoria.

I have ADHD and RSD. I did suspect that was causing these set backs.

To be honest I'm not so fussed about the schools, it's more the opportunities to sing abroad etc. I just mentioned schools as an idea of the opportunities this choir can give.

Unfortunately there are no ND choirs near me. The new choir she's chosen to join looks very chill so I'm hoping she enjoys it!

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HecticHedgehog · 06/05/2023 13:30

Yanbu to be frustrated your daughter is missing out but she's been discriminated against with those comments.I'm not surprised she doesn't want to go back. You should be frustrated at the person who's caused this.

Fruitandclottedcream · 06/05/2023 13:37

HecticHedgehog · 06/05/2023 13:30

Yanbu to be frustrated your daughter is missing out but she's been discriminated against with those comments.I'm not surprised she doesn't want to go back. You should be frustrated at the person who's caused this.

I am incredibly frustrated at the entire situation. As soon as we found out why she'd quit, the choir tried to rectify it. But unfortunately she doesn't want to go back and while I feel frustrated I don't blame her.

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Chchchchchangesss · 06/05/2023 13:41

She hasn't passed anything up. She's been bullied out of an activity she used to love by some meddling person who knows nothing about ND. The damage is done, time to move forward. It's not your daughter's fault.

lljkk · 06/05/2023 14:02

My kids don't have SEN & they disappoint me (in choices they make or opportunities they pass up) all the time. It's what kids do to parents.

Sprinkles211 · 06/05/2023 21:40

Just so you are aware that asd and adhd are disabilities regardless of the person's intellect. I have adhd, went to grammar school, studying for a degree (as an adult) my adhd when unmedicated is crippling and disabling. I have 2 children one with high intellect one with global delays both have asd and adhd, dismissing them as difficulties rather than disabilities is not supportive of your child's needs and just makes you one of those parents in denial who will do more harm then good

Ontheperiphery79 · 06/05/2023 23:28

She's 10, for the love of God, and will have little or no concept OR appreciation of something that could lead to a 'lifetime of opportunities'.
It may 'only' be a community choir but, if at 10, she enjoys it a) that's bloody brilliant and b) should be all that matters to a parent of an AuDHD child.

Merryoldgoat · 06/05/2023 23:59

@Sprinkles211

They are disabilities but they do not mean they are learning disabilities.

I have two children with ASD - one clearly has zero learning difficulties or learning disabilities and is working at or above expected levels in all academic areas. The second has significant issues in all areas but is currently too young to assess the complete picture at this stage.

It is important to get the terminology correct and I don’t think OP is dismissing her daughter’s needs.

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