so this is why we voted for Brexit, to torture animals pointlessly

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The government is now free of the EU legislation banning experiments on animals for purely cosmetic reasons, rather than for medical advances.

So now animals can be experimented on to develop totally unnecessary new cosmetics.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-65484552

YANBU - this ban should have remained in place forever,

YABU - this might give the UK an edge over competitors who are not allowed to base their products on cruelty - and this is what we want

It's monstrous but I only buy make up, skin care and cleaning products that aren't tested on animals. There are plenty of brands available.
It annoys me that decent perfume is still tested but I buy the non tested dupes instead.

Clearly the people voting yanbu haven't bothered to read about what is happening, just like the OP. The level of illiteracy in the country is stunning.

I voted remain but that doesn't mean I think the EU is some paragon of virtue while the UK is one of the worst countries on earth. This is EU policy being implemented. That is very clear from everything that has been written about it.

Do I agree with the policy? No. But it is obviously not happening because of brexit when it is an EU policy.

This is why we end up with the same shit politicians every time. Because people lack either the willingness or the ability to engage with issues on a sensible level. They will read a post by someone like the OP and not bother to even read the links to realise it is all bullshit.

Not nice? It's corporate sanctioned toture and nothing to do with EU policy.

https://coslaw.eu/what-is-the-eu-ban-on-animal-testing/#:~:text=The%20EU%20ban%20on%20animal%20testing%20is%20a%20marketing%20as,ban%20in%20some%20exceptional%20circumstances.

It's also absolutely pointless - humans and dogs are very different physiologically so just because it is harmful to a dog, doesn't mean it it harmful to a human.

Please post the relevant EU policy.

A quick Google shows that that is not true. The UK banned animal testing for cosmetics in 1998. The EU implemented various types of ban in 2004, 2009 and 2013. Given 1998 is before any of those years then the UK banned animal testing for cosmetics long before the EU. So, no, the UK wasn't forced to 'go along with it', the UK was leading the way.

ECHA's REACH regulation 1907/2006

https://www.cosmeticsdesign-europe.com/Article/2021/08/25/Animal-testing-conflict-between-EU-Cosmetic-Regulation-and-ECHA-s-REACH-regulation-says-study

Since you apparently can't use Google. Or click on the link supplied by the OP.

The ECHA is an agency of the EU.

The REACH website seems to be down at the moment but here's a wiki link - read the "Controversy" section in particular.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registration,_Evaluation,_Authorisation_and_Restriction_of_Chemicals

I voted Remain but one benefit of Brexit should be that we can have better animal welfare rules rather than be bound by EU law.

Bloody hell people are thick. Why don’t you try and educate yourself OP and the people agreeing with them. Absolutely gormless.

Disgusting

imagine the slogans they’d have had though to try and persuade us it would be great …..

Bit like the mess with the oceans now they’d probably have dressed that up as ‘securing our waters!’ (With raw sewage thatll put those pesky asylum seekers off)

I did search.

https://coslaw.eu/what-is-the-eu-ban-on-animal-testing/#:~:text=The%20EU%20ban%20on%20animal%20testing%20is%20a%20marketing%20as,ban%20in%20some%20exceptional%20circumstances.

I agree

any discussion about politics or the EI is just so divided now

this is how we have got into this mess not just in the UK in other parts of Europe and of course the US

one side isn’t always right and one side isn’t always wrong (I’m not talking about extreme political views) sadly I believe social media plays a huge part on this it taps into us being tribal by nature

Sorry, what does this show?

Just not with much critical thinking.

The OP's link, the BBC article, states that this animal testing is due to the EU's chemical agency. It doesn't take much to then Google 'EU chemical agency' and 'animal testing cosmetics' if you want to find out more background. Or the fact several of us posters have put it in our posts that this relates to the EU chemical agency. You chose to ignore that and double down on your incorrect assumption instead of searching the information at your fingertips.

I originally thought the same as you, that the EU had completely banned animal testing in cosmetics. But then I read the BBC article yesterday (actually read it unlike a lot of posters on here who can't seem to get past headlines) and realised that I was wrong. I then Googled further because it is an interesting and important topic that should be discussed. We shouldn't be thinking that the EU is some infallible institution that will never do something we are against or that the UK will do something horrible just because of brexit. Not everything is about bloody brexit.

Which all rather proves how pointless Brexit was if we need to align with the rules anyway for trade. At least before Brexit we had a say in making them.

I think tribal is exactly the right word. Social media seems to tap into a need a lot of people have to belong and to be supported but it just provides an echo chamber. It's like we have forgotten how to have differing opinions and to see in shades of grey.

People have lost the ability to think critically, to question why information is being put out in a certain way and by whom, and even, as has been clear from this thread, to read beyond a headline.

The Tory's have many many reasons not to vote for them but this isn't one- we are simply aligning with EU legislation which is having some amendments.

I think there will be so much consumer pressure not to test on animals for cosmetic reasons that it won't change in practice. Especially in the context of rising plant-based diets etc.

Buy cruelty free products only. Don't buy cosmetics made outside the EU, in fact don't buy any animal products (leather, down coats etc) outside of the UK.

meant EU not UK

A short history:

1976 - EEC Proposals 76/768/EEC to (1) ban animal testing of cosmetics in Europe, (2) animal testing of ingredients used solely in cosmetics in Europe, and (3) sale of cosmetics in Europe where animal testing was carried out elsewhere. These to be implemented when suitable non-animal testing was available.

1993 - 6th Amendment to 76/768/EEC proposes implementation in 1998.

1998 - UK alone implements all 3 parts of the ban. More amendments delay implementation in rest of Europe.

2004 - Rest of Europe bans (1) animal testing of cosmetics in Europe

2009 - Rest of Europe bans (2) animal testing of ingredients used solely in cosmetics in Europe.

2013 - Rest of Europe finally catches up with UK and bans (3) sale of cosmetics in Europe where animal testing was carried out elsewhere. 76/768/EEC is replaced with EU Regulation 1223/2009, but EU REACH rules determine that prohibitions do not apply to testing to determine if there is a risk to the environment (so called ‘ecotox testing’), or to worker safety tests.

This was the situation when UK left the EU and the EU rules were incorporated into UK law.

2020 - European Chemicals Agency (ECHA) Board of Appeal rules that even for sole use cosmetics ingredients, animal testing may be required for EU REACH.
For simplicity and time pressures, UK decides to follow the EU rules, so limited animal testing is again allowed for cosmetics and cosmetic only ingredients.

Late 2023 - UK expected to produce a new chemicals strategy as part of the much derided (especially by remoaners) review and revoke retained EU Law exercise. Due to Brexit, UK is allowed to tighten the rules, but is unlikely to loosen them as this would mean banning of UK exports to EU.

And the last paragraph shows the futility of Brexit. At least if we were in we could have influenced the rules. Now we are just rule takers.