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To notice a homeless woman more than a homeless woman?

55 replies

girlfriend44 · 02/05/2023 17:57

Have noticed a homeless woman in town recently tly.
Sitting on the pavement with all her belongings.

I feel sorry for anyone who is homeless but somehow seeing a woman homeless makes me think more.

It's really not safe or nice for a woman to be on the street?
Does anyone feel the same, they just feel it deffo isn't right for a female to be on the streets.
Hope I've explained that well. I know it's not nice for anyone.
I noticed that the police were giving her some info the other day, but she was still there today.

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Felix125 · 02/05/2023 22:00

They face different challenges - more homeless men are murdered on the streets

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 02/05/2023 22:18

I know what you mean, OP; but all genuine rough-sleepers, male or female, are so vulnerable that it just seems desperately sad to seek to make a hierarchy of it.

There are evil people out there who consider homeless people as subhuman - to the extent that urinating on them and setting them on fire as they sleep is appallingly not all that uncommon. It hardly bears thinking about, but I suppose one minuscule silver cloud might be that, if would-be rapists view a homeless person as filthy and untouchable, that might potentially deter them from doing it, for fear of what they might 'catch' by raping her?

I wonder how many homeless shelters and refuges could have been built and how long they could have been funded for £250,000,000?

Nimbostratus100 · 02/05/2023 22:22

Felix125 · 02/05/2023 22:00

They face different challenges - more homeless men are murdered on the streets

but they are also given more opportunities to get off the streets, as the whole system is geared towards men.

DyslexicPoster · 02/05/2023 22:26

There's a older lady living rough in our town. I was taken aback as she is the only genuine street sleeper in our town and at the age she could have teen kids so I felt I could relate more to her.
Any beggers I generally don't think are genuine any more unfortunately. They get shipped in, not there after 5.30pm or on a Sunday. I do wonder how she isn't a target for sexual assault

DisquietintheRanks · 02/05/2023 22:29

Nimbostratus100 · 02/05/2023 22:22

but they are also given more opportunities to get off the streets, as the whole system is geared towards men.

That's a bit like complaining that breast cancer services are all geared towards women.

It's also not true. There is very little support for male rough sleepers, that's why the shelters are full of them.

littleripper · 02/05/2023 22:30

What you have to understand is that their are 2 groups here: beggars and homeless people.

Most beggars are not homeless, many are in gangs and put women on the street as they gain more sympathy. Housed drug addicts of both sexes beg.

Most homeless people do not beg. Many of these are very poor women. Single mothers struggling. Help them by donating to food banks and charities specific to this.

DisquietintheRanks · 02/05/2023 22:38

Most street homeless people are not women. In particular, they are not single mothers. Women with children get a place in a hostel not, for example, a tent, or nothing at all.

Nimbostratus100 · 02/05/2023 22:43

DisquietintheRanks · 02/05/2023 22:29

That's a bit like complaining that breast cancer services are all geared towards women.

It's also not true. There is very little support for male rough sleepers, that's why the shelters are full of them.

there are many more routes forward for men than for women, I am heavily involved in this area, and placing a man in longterm accommodation is hugely easier than placing a woman

CannotDoThisAnymore · 02/05/2023 22:51

call StreetLink next time you see them and they will be able to check on them and make sure they are ok/signpost them

Felix125 · 03/05/2023 09:37

Nimbostratus100

I am genuinely interested.
How are there many more routes for men than women?
And how is it easier to place men in long term accommodation?

Where we are, we have three large new built hostels for women, mainly designed for people fleeing from DV - but they also take vulnerable women who are homeless. There are none for men.

I'm not saying these hostels aren't important - because they are and do some fantastic work.

girlfriend44 · 03/05/2023 09:42

I saw her again and she was scratching herself, maybe she has somewhere to sleep at night but nowhere to go.on the daytime.

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DisquietintheRanks · 03/05/2023 10:10

@Nimbostratus100 so why are there so many more men on the street than women?

Nimbostratus100 · 03/05/2023 10:20

DisquietintheRanks · 03/05/2023 10:10

@Nimbostratus100 so why are there so many more men on the street than women?

lots of reasons, men are more likely to become homeless after relationship breakdown, parents are more likely to throw out teenage boys than teenage girls, men are more likely to be released from prison or armed services, men are more likely to be refugees. Men are more likely to be visible on the street, and homeless women are more hidden,

Men are more likely to be homeless than women, and are homeless in greater numbers, and so many support networks, and long term hostels, are men only.

However, there is also a large and separate problem of homeless women, many of whom do a lot to keep it secret, and a lot of these women we just cant find accommodation for,

OneTC · 03/05/2023 10:33

Nimbostratus100 · 02/05/2023 22:43

there are many more routes forward for men than for women, I am heavily involved in this area, and placing a man in longterm accommodation is hugely easier than placing a woman

There are more interventions for women prior to being on the street though

Nimbostratus100 · 03/05/2023 10:36

OneTC · 03/05/2023 10:33

There are more interventions for women prior to being on the street though

yes. It is two different problems, really, the two sexes overall have a different set of challenges when it comes to being in danger of losing accommodation, and in finding it.

stayathomer · 03/05/2023 10:39

Yes, god, horrible. There’s a woman in my home town that begs every Christmas at the church. My mum has seen her under a bridge before. She’s been there since I was a child and I’ve seen her grow older and have two babies who were with her yearly:(

stayathomer · 03/05/2023 10:41

there are many more routes forward for men than for women, I am heavily involved in this area, and placing a man in longterm accommodation is hugely easier than placing a woman
why? (Curious!)

Felix125 · 03/05/2023 10:50

Well its not the case in our area as there are more hostels and provisions for women than men

It might be a regional thing

5128gap · 03/05/2023 11:21

Felix125 · 03/05/2023 10:50

Well its not the case in our area as there are more hostels and provisions for women than men

It might be a regional thing

Interesting. Where did you find the data on the number of beds designated for each sex? Ive had a look and can't seem to find anything that information my city. How great is the discrepancy between need and capacity for each sex in your region?

Lannielou · 03/05/2023 11:42

Myself and my children are homeless, we currently live in a homeless hostel. I work as a nurse. No-one would know we are homeless

Felix125 · 03/05/2023 11:59

5128gap · 03/05/2023 11:21

Interesting. Where did you find the data on the number of beds designated for each sex? Ive had a look and can't seem to find anything that information my city. How great is the discrepancy between need and capacity for each sex in your region?

From my experience.

I work as a response cop and in our area we have 3 hostels that cater for women. Mainly DV but will take on homeless if required.

We have none for men.

If we have a homeless woman on the street - its relatively easy for me to find emergency accommodation for her.

Its not the case for men - nigh on impossible.

Like I say - might be a regional thing.

stayathomer · 03/05/2023 12:55

Lannielou
Myself and my children are homeless, we currently live in a homeless hostel. I work as a nurse. No-one would know we are homeless
How are you, are you okay? Are the council going to help you?

girlfriend44 · 03/05/2023 13:13

the police were giving her advice the other day but still their today.

Her hair is all greasy. just feel sorry for her.

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MisschiefMaker · 03/05/2023 13:21

@Nimbostratus100 how come so many of your school staff are homeless? Are these teachers or different staff?

Lannielou · 03/05/2023 13:34

We are ok, my son starts his gcse's in two weeks. We are working with the council. No social housing and rental properties in Devon are hard to get