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The future of essential women’s roles looks grim

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Londonlassy · 30/04/2023 12:43

I previously worked in the hospital system as a registered nurse. Leaving bedside nursing was the best thing I could do for my physical and mental health. I became a nurse to follow in my mum’s footsteps. I loved hearing my mum’s stories from the ward. My mum absolutely encouraged me to entering into nursing. She told me I would always have work, make a difference and get to see the world. However I have discouraged my DC and nieces from going into nursing. My feedback is it’s a job with enormous responsibility but no autonomy. The workload is unmanageable. You feel guilty and depressed because the job you would like to do is just not possible and you can’t meet your own or your patient’s expectations

I caught up with a teacher friend who entered her profession as she was inspired by a role model teacher she had in high school. She is in the process of leaving teaching and she is really honest with her students about the harsh realities of the role and spends time discussing other careers with better conditions and pay.

So many women enter into traditional women’s work ( childcare, teaching, nursing, social work) because an older female inspired them or they believed an idealistic idea of the role. No ones encouraging our young women to go into these roles and men aren’t putting there hands up to do it. I just think the future for essential women’s works looking dire.

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DisquietintheRanks · 30/04/2023 15:52

From what I can see both nursing and care work are moving from being jobs that white British women do to jobs done by immigrants (some white, many not). I guess that helps keep the pay low. Maybe teaching will go the same way?

PriOn1 · 30/04/2023 16:04

I think there’s a wider problem here, in that those jobs were traditionally jobs where it was assumed that people would be doing their best and where there was some admiration and appreciation from the wider population. So even if they were not financially especially well rewarded, there were other less well defined rewards for doing them. Nowadays there are a lot more angry, demanding people whose expectations are unreasonable, but who will kick up a fuss, while the management, who have never actually done the job themselves, tend to throw them to the wolves rather than working from a basic assumption that the staff are doing their best, even if something has gone wrong,

I don’t know so much about nursing, but there are obvious problems in the teaching profession, where there is now an assumption that, unless everyone is meeting certain (frankly arbitrary) targets, that they are not doing a good job. Everything has to be measured and everyone has to prove themselves over and over. So instead of finding their own way to pass on their knowledge, they are pushed more and more into a treadmill of meeting targets, which also removes any previous “perks” such as extended holidays, as meeting those targets also means working a great deal outside the contracted hours.

That general attitude: that we can’t just trust that most people will do their jobs adequately if we mostly give them free rein, but instead must assume that if people are not constantly monitored, they will probably slack off, leads to feelings of distrust. Assuming people will always be lazy and need checking up on constantly, tends to be self-fulfilling. Arbitrary targets and general distrust (and thus lack of respect) lead to a situation where previously enthusiastic people will end up demoralized and will work to meet them and no more.

So I don’t just think that it’s just that women’s expectations have changed and they are no longer willing to be put upon. I think societal attitudes to those people have changed. The jobs have less autonomy and the people doing them are frequently shown little or no respect. My experience is that those things can be as important to me as wages, assuming the wages are not so low as to make living impossible.

As the wages are still relatively low and the stress and lack of job satisfaction has been ratcheted up, fewer people are willing to carry on. Those remaining are being pushed harder and harder, so you end up with a domino effect as well as a preponderance of people feeling hard done by, who are less and less willing to go the extra mile.

I hope all this will be reversed at some point, or that the current, dysfunctional model will be replaced with something that regards people as human beings and not as resource units, but I’m not optimistic. It’s just very sad that careers that used to be fulfilling, no longer are.

JenniferBooth · 30/04/2023 16:17

And the vaccine mandate was insanity

Hbh17 · 30/04/2023 16:21

There may have been statistically more women in these jobs in the past, but they are not "essential women's roles". Maybe young women don't want to be stereotyped in their job choices? Both nursing and teaching badly need more men involved, and it would be great to eventually have a 50/50 split, to reflect the actual population.

Curseofthenation · 30/04/2023 16:25

I think if the pay in these professions improves then more men and women will choose these career paths. No amount of inspiration is going to override this fact.

I would have been a teacher if the pay and working conditions were better. I'm so glad I didn't. My teaching friends are all on anti-depressants and absolutely bloody miserable. They all want out.

madroid · 30/04/2023 16:26

@PriOn1

I think you're so right. It's the culture of distrust and lack of respect for professionals that made my DH leave education. He is very well qualified and committed but felt disrespected and dumbed down by the whole job - entitled parents, unrealistic heads, monotonous targets/admin, under resourced.

Now earning more, doing less hours and soo much happier.

Olderandolder · 28/06/2023 18:38

Londonlassy · 30/04/2023 12:43

I previously worked in the hospital system as a registered nurse. Leaving bedside nursing was the best thing I could do for my physical and mental health. I became a nurse to follow in my mum’s footsteps. I loved hearing my mum’s stories from the ward. My mum absolutely encouraged me to entering into nursing. She told me I would always have work, make a difference and get to see the world. However I have discouraged my DC and nieces from going into nursing. My feedback is it’s a job with enormous responsibility but no autonomy. The workload is unmanageable. You feel guilty and depressed because the job you would like to do is just not possible and you can’t meet your own or your patient’s expectations

I caught up with a teacher friend who entered her profession as she was inspired by a role model teacher she had in high school. She is in the process of leaving teaching and she is really honest with her students about the harsh realities of the role and spends time discussing other careers with better conditions and pay.

So many women enter into traditional women’s work ( childcare, teaching, nursing, social work) because an older female inspired them or they believed an idealistic idea of the role. No ones encouraging our young women to go into these roles and men aren’t putting there hands up to do it. I just think the future for essential women’s works looking dire.

Do you not feel disgusted that Govt decides who is “essential”?

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