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My MP thinks the NHS should be privatised

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Gigihadr · 26/04/2023 00:40

Tory MP. Told me the NHS should be gotten rid of and we should be charging for healthcare

I was horrified AIBU?

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Valeriekat · 27/04/2023 21:22

Obviously. no MP would ever say such a thing.

Gigihadr · 27/04/2023 23:08

They did.

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Beneficialchampion2 · 27/04/2023 23:12

Something has to change.

NHS has been criminally mismanaged for years, needs to be run like a business to ensure that the right people are in the right roles and value for money is sought.

You can chuck all the money you want at it and blame Tory spending cuts. Makes no difference, the NHS is a boat with a gigantic hole in it

antwacky · 27/04/2023 23:18

Your MP has probably got personal business interests in private medicine like the majority of Tory MP's and this why they are deliberately destroying the NHS, so they can line their own pockets.

Gigihadr · 27/04/2023 23:22

antwacky · 27/04/2023 23:18

Your MP has probably got personal business interests in private medicine like the majority of Tory MP's and this why they are deliberately destroying the NHS, so they can line their own pockets.

I have no doubts about that!!

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ilovesooty · 27/04/2023 23:34

TheThinkingGoblin · 26/04/2023 01:14

When you raise NI you reduce disposable income.

You also increases costs to employers via employee NI.

You would then see stagnant wage growth and less people employed.

The only realistic way of adding NI now is to male the retired over 65s pay NI as they are the heaviest users of the NHS and are obviously not employed.

obviously not employed

Why obviously? There are certainly over 65s still working.

Frabbits · 27/04/2023 23:34

Tory MP is a stupid prick. What's new?

maddening · 27/04/2023 23:37

Any mp would be ridiculously stupid to say these things in public-.if you have this recorded op you could make a mint selling to the press!

Which mp was it?

maddening · 27/04/2023 23:38

Gigihadr · 26/04/2023 01:14

I’d rather not to remain somewhat anonymous but everything I’ve said is accurate

Why would naming the mp make you not anonymous?

Gigihadr · 27/04/2023 23:53

maddening · 27/04/2023 23:38

Why would naming the mp make you not anonymous?

I had a private one to one meeting with them. Doubt they’d repeat it in public. They said the public would need ‘persuading’ that the NHS is now no longer fit for purpose

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maddening · 27/04/2023 23:54

If he is this free and easy with his opinion then I doubt you are the only one he said it to.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 28/04/2023 00:49

You do realise that most gp practices are private businesses?

GoldenAye · 28/04/2023 01:07

@TheThinkingGoblin

What will happen is a public-private model like they have in Australia.

Is anyone interested in an explanation of this model? (I'm Australian.)

Fererr · 28/04/2023 01:23

YANBU. Private profit healthcare model would be horrendous for many. Good article by Sir Michael Marmot explaining why increases in NHS spending needed as well as some reform. He recently co-authored Health Equity in England: The Marmot Review 10 Years On.

From article.

“To understand the funding position, it is best not to listen to what the government is saying: the problems cannot be simply attributed to the pandemic, the war in Ukraine, or “greedy” doctors and nurses. The problems began in 2010.
Health spending per person, adjusted for demographic change, grew at 2% a year under the Conservatives from 1979 to 1997; at 5.7% a year under Labour from 1997 to 2010; at -0.07% from 2010 to 2015; and at -0.03% from 2015 to 2021. In other words, even Margaret Thatcher, who declared there’s no such thing as society, increased NHS funding at a higher rate than the Conservatives in the 2010s. David Cameron declared he wanted to create a “big society”, and he and George Osborne reduced NHS funding per person. Cameron also said that there would be no more top-down reorganisation of the NHS and then, with his health secretary Andrew Lansley, did exactly that. It marked what Chris Ham, former head of the King’s Fund, described as the political failure that led to the decline of the NHS.
Other European countries have taken a different approach. If the UK had increased its healthcare expenditure from 2010 to 2019 as much as France did, we would have increased our current spend by 21%, and by 39% if we had matched Germany. The NHS needs more money. It would help in filling the 150,000 vacant full-time posts. Paying doctors and nurses appropriately would help. But we do need reform as well.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/24/labour-wes-streeting-nhs-britain-europe?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/the-past-present-and-future-of-government-spending-on-the-nhs

Emotionalstorm · 28/04/2023 01:25

US healthcare is amazing. It's miles better than the UK so I have no objections to the same model.

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