WHO Pandemic Preparedness Treaty - what's your view on this?

[pansiesinmygarden]

Just that, really.

After all we've been through over the last 3 years, it's surprising this has not been given much visibility in MSM

Do you think a referendum should take place before we commit ourselves to such major supranational commitments?

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9550/

I'm not a fan of what happened last time there was a big national referendum.

Still, it's a substantial decision with lots of implications for our everyday lives. We absolutely should have a say in that

none of this is new, it all existed before, and was allowed to lapse. Noone is going to let it lapse again, the next pandemic might be a lot worse.

this is a non story

"Shall we go back to how we did things 15 years ago before we decided we couldn't be bothered - yes we should"

As I understand it, the proposed treaty demands the UK relinquishes control of many aspects of our everyday lives to a supranational global unelected body. Their decisions would be legally binding.

Certainly this has not existed before and it's one of the reasons many people voted for Brexit.

Yes. Whilst I don't particularly trust the modern crop of politicians (of all parties), I trust the general population even less to make an informed decision, so a strong, hard, NO, to referendums.

Letting morons vote on stuff they don't understand doesn't often work out well

Do you understand the treaty? Please enlighten us

And how do you propose these major decisions are stopped, when they seem to be so life-changing and many would not agree with them?

And please don't say vote Labour as they would most likely also sign us up for a dictatorial treaty as we have seen it happen in Left leaning governments during the pandemic (e.g. NZ and Canada)

How would the treaty be enforced? Last time China kept quiet until it was too late.

People forget that it was the blind leading the blind last time. No one knew how it was going to pan out, we have never had anything like what happened ever happen in our lifetime before. The government did the best they could with the limited information they had at the time. Whatever any one says lockdowns probably saved many lives. As someone who spent time in hospital over the first lockdown, I can’t tell you it was terrifying, for me and the staff who had to work through it. The whole world, not just the UK was affected, but people still talk in terms of themselves and how it stopped them doing what they wanted. Hopefully we won’t see anything like it again in the future, but no one though it could happen back in 2020, did they!

Thrown "Hopefully we won’t see anything like it again in the future, but no one though it could happen back in 2020, did they!"

no one thought what could happen?
A pandemic was long expected but I don't know how many of us realised it would be used for a power grab.

looking back, I think I was naive.

A global response needs to allow for local conditions. I posted the draft treaty here as soon as it went up on the Parliament pages. People are understandably wary.

I haven't read it

So why should I be able to vote on it

So you think the general population are knowledgeable enough to vote on this? I'm certainly not, and I'm probably educated to a higher level and better read than most at population level.

Do you know how much running a referendum costs? The Brexit referendum cost approx £130m.

Given the number of people just on this site who are determined to believe that the pandemic is completely over now and wasn't actually a big deal anyway, I think a referendum would be inappropriate. We've seen how things go when wilfully uninformed people who are sure they're right are given a say in acts which will have huge negative consequences for everybody if not handled properly.

I am vehemently against it. It would give Tedros (labelled a terrorist and with strong CCP backing) control over our countries. The Treaty suspends individual constitutions. If passed it is a very dangerous path. The WHO is now majority funded by private entities with their own private vested interests.

The next two big policies being promoted by the WHO and their backers will forever transform health policy by removing health sovereignty from nation states. The proposed amendments to the International Health Regulations and the proposed Pandemic Treaty will between them strip all health sovereignty away from independent nations. It will allow the WHO to define a pandemic. This could include ‘climate’ issues or overpopulation of the planet as perceived by some, anything that the WHO or its financial backers decide. They will decide the remedies, maybe vaccines or Chinese style lockdowns or again whatever the WHO or its international backers decide. Sovereign governments who sign this treaty will no longer be sovereign, they will have surrendered their health sovereignty but this can also affect international and domestic travel, work and leisure.

Science evolves. A one size fits all approach is madness. Dr. Mike Ryan of the WHO during Covid suggested REMOVING children from the homes of a positive case.

The idea of imposing the same rules on disparate countries is really dangerous. In Mexico, for example, we had a relatively short total lockdown because a lot of people work hand-to-mouth.

Moron = people who don’t agree with me , I suppose.

I thought ‘Moron’ wasn’t an approved term anymore, btw.

Well, first thing in the UK at least would be for voters to actually think about who they vote for to represent us and not just always vote blue/red because their family have always voted that way, etc., and also to vote for the "bigger picture" rather than reject a candidate because of a particular (often minor) policy of their party!

If we had a better political system and a higher calibre of politicians, then we'd stand a fighting chance of our politicians doing the "right" thing rather than lining their own pockets or blindly following some dodgy political dogma of the past.

Just look at the Libdem referendum on voting change in the coalition. It could have been a catalyst for change but because it wasn't exactly the full fat proportional representation that a sizeable minority wanted, they voted against it so we're stuck with first past the post for decades to come! If we'd have voted for the "middle ground" libdem option, it would have changed voting patterns and could well have led to future changes. But no, baby out with the bath water again!

Much of this is untrue. Of course it was predictable, and predicted, and so is the next one. Everyone knows pandemics happen and will keep happening at random dates in the future. It could have happened it 2020 or at any time, and it will happen again, and we always were prepared - I have family involved in the civilian emergency preparations that were in place until about the early noughties, when the government stopped maintaining pandemic preparations

@Nimbostratus100

Of course it was predictable, and predicted, and so is the next one. Everyone knows pandemics happen and will keep happening at random dates in the future.

Absolutely true. Partly, I think the World may have become a little blase after other recent cases like asian bird flu, H1N1, etc didn't spread and weren't as serious as expected.

With Covid, a lot of the World "locked down" simply because they could for the first time in decades due to the internet. It was like a social experiment to see how much we (I mean the World, not just the UK), could survive with as much as possible closed down.

The nature of World travel, transport of goods, etc., was also very different with the sheer number of people, shipping containers of goods, aircraft etc moving around the World.

So many things were different from earlier pandemics, and we (again the World) simply didn't have the "tool kit" to know what to do. Go back a few decades and the spread would have been a lot more localised, probably devastating to a much smaller localised area, but with hard barriers preventing people and goods travelling in and out. It's certainly how the small pox outbreaks were dealt with, but simply can't work on a Global scale!

I hope that there is a huge amount of research, analysis and other planning on a Global scale to deal with future pandemics in a much better way than just locking down so much, in some many places. Research and analysis should tell us which methods worked, which didn't, so that a coherent plan and strategy can be put in place for the future, with different strategies for different types of country, different types of transport, different types of personal contact, etc. So much of the 2020 response was little more than guesswork and hope rather than based on science and history which can't be allowed to happen again.

Pandemics are a global problem and need a global solution.

It's massively concerning. The WHO are partly funded by private donors who will have influence over any policies put in place. These donors are unelected, and therefore unaccountable to us, and their interests may well not be the same as ours as well as being heavily motivated by profits.

Some of the policies put into place in other countries during the Covid pandemic were extremely damaging and undemocratic. Seeing people locked into their buildings, small, infected children isolated from their families and vaccine mandates imposed really upset and worried me. The WHO are heavily funded and influenced by China, who behaved in an alarmingly authoritarian manner throughout the pandemic. I'm amazed people are so happy about relinquishing control to them and wonder how they would feel if it were their own children being forcibly removed to isolate next time?

Nimbo yes, the pandemic preparedness we had was well planned. As I said at the time, anyone working on a BCP will have knowledge of it.

then they decided to stop doing it

then they did a massive social experiment.

so...yes...perhaps I was naive about why they stopped.

but I have realised that people are begging to be controlled, so I've hit the point where I can only hope I'm dead before the next instalment of all this.

Pandemics are a global problem and need a global solution

Of course they are a global problem, but the main reason we were out of the woods relatively quickly from Covid (considering the sheer havoc and mayhem it caused) was that each country had total freedom to research, investigate, speak and come up with solutions.

There was no central global beaurocratic body telling others what alternative could be explored, giving permission to think or dissent and administering 'the truth'

See how shambolic everything became by mid-2021 when politics started to influence the course of action in the EU, Russia, etc

The apathy displayed around this from the general public, the MSM (and MN!) is rather concerning. It's such a fundamental piece of legislation.

It's also shocking that there had to be a petition for this to be even considered by Parliament. What if there wouldn't have been? Would this have gone through without discussion?