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To think blanket free prescriptions for over 60s NEED to end?

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Idratherbepaddleboarding · 19/04/2023 14:31

I know this will be controversial but I popped to the doctors in my lunch break to collect my prescription and joined a longish queue. Everyone in front of me was over 60 and collecting huge bags of medications and I was the only one paying for any of it.

I don’t dispute that I should have to pay but often I can’t afford it which has led to me having to miss days of my medication, leaving me feeling very emotional and at times suicidal (medication is for depression). Perhaps if everyone who has over a certain income had to pay, they’d be able to lower the prescription charge for everyone or be able to afford the pay rises they say they can’t afford for nurses and junior doctors.

The killer was that every single one of the people in front of me got back into massive, brand new SUVs, one couple into a Range Rover and another into a Jaguar. If they can afford to own (and run!) cars like that, paying for a prescription would be a drop in the ocean for them. AIBU to think that free prescriptions should be limited to those in pension credit just like Universal Credit?

When DH’s grandad died, his mum and auntie shared out his collection of prescription paracetamol and ibuprofen (I know they should be returned to the pharmacy but they’d only have been destroyed and both are ex nurses so I guess they know what they’re doing). I’m not joking, there were boxes and boxes of the stuff, we didn’t buy painkillers for years and these will have cost the NHS a lot more than they would from the supermarket and weren’t even taken by the person that they were intended for! Surely paracetamol and ibuprofen should not be available on the NHS at all?

I really don’t want to bash the over 60s and it wouldn’t be a vote winner for politicians but surely we can’t afford to keep free prescriptions for those that can afford them?

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Anyotherdude · 21/04/2023 08:53

@taxguru said:
”Re inheritance, yes those owning their own house and other wealth will usually pass to next generation, but that just increases the rich/poor gap as those who don't own their home have nothing to pass on, so their children will probably never be able to afford a home with house price inflation etc out of control in proportion to income. A few decades ago, people with "normal/average paid" jobs could afford to buy a house - now in lots of areas, that's simply no longer possible. So the "rich" get richer (due to inheritance) the poor stay poor. That's a classic example of boomers pulling up the drawbridge behind them. It's alright for them and their families, but sod the children who don't have parents with their own houses!”
I am lucky enough to have bought my current house with my normal/average paid job in the late 1990’s, and paid off the mortgage a couple of years ago.
In the time I have been living here, the house (normal 3-bed semi) has risen in value to SIX times what I paid for it.
Having been born in the early 1960’s, I think that (just) makes me a so-called boomer, but I haven’t pulled the drawbridge up: I am fully aware that even though I now have a much more senior role at work, I am earning relatively about 40% LESS than the equivalent grade was earning when I bought my house (Austerity, innit?) so couldn’t afford to buy my house today if I was in my higher position and current pay now!
I blame those who pushed the prices up by, I dunno, selling off the country’s gold reserves, reducing interest rates to a pittance so that people who relied on their interest had to find better ways of making a return on their money - such as being able to force prices up by being able to offer a few thousand more and pay cash to create property portfolios and panic in the ranks of those who just wanted to buy a home, not to mention the gross misconduct of mortgage lenders allowing people to borrow far more than they should in the past few years, thus leaving them open to eviction when the rates start climbing again…
The only people buying houses as homes around here now are already rich people, who can afford to purchase, refurbish and remodel their houses before moving in. My DC can’t even move out: because of the grotesque increase in house prices, rent has also risen to prohibitive levels for those that aren’t earning well above the average, so I am glad that I can at least leave them something that might give them a leg up when I’m gone, as it’s most certainly not a level playing field. But I, and most people in my position (average earner buys house before 2000) are not to blame here…

RosesAndHellebores · 21/04/2023 08:57

I'm not sure what I have taken out of the system as a 62 year old:

Privately educated until 11. 5 years at grammar school, private 6th form, dropped out of university after a term, temporary work until spending a year abroad.

I started work aged 20 and worked like stink having ds at 34.5 when I returned to work part-time.for a year from when he was 4 months old (I stopped because he was ill). I then had a glorious seven years at home (no working tax credits) when I acted as vice chair of a local quasi statutory organisation, became Chair of the PTA, and ran Sunday school. Nursery vouchers were removed when DS needed them but brought back temporarily for DD. No free nursery, no free school meals during infancy.

I returned to work when dd was settled in reception. Locally, part-time, 18 hours a week for the first two years, starting over at the bottom because I had no degree and needed some professional quals. After two years I went full-time into an assistant professional role and the organisation paid for my professional quals, which I studied for in my own time. By the time I paid the au-pair to facilitate it, I was worse off than doing the part-time role (equivalent to civil service/LA grade 3). DH paid for me to top up my prof qual to a Masters for my 50th birthday!

The DC were privately educated from 8 and 13 respectively and we paid their uni fees and expenses. One has a PhD and has an academic role, the other is teaching. Neither have ever been out of work and neither have either claimed a penny.

DH similarly has worked since graduating/was qualified, from his mid to late 20s until the age of about 54/55 60+ hours per week. He still works full time but doesn't do more than 45/50 hours pw now. I also still work full-time and work 45/50 in a high stress job albeit a well paid one. I am on Annual.leave today, hence a long post after 8.30am.

Not a penny have we ever claimed except for child benefit which was universal. We have not depended on the NHS or used an NHS dentist. The DC may have had an occasional free eye test. We had to pay for their grommets, essential but refused on the NHS, their braces because they didn't meet the NHS bar and for every single exam they took at school.

I have 43 years of NI credits for the state pension but still fall slightly short of 35 years due to contracting out. I will get a full state pension if I work until 65. The local government occupational pension is a side effect of the decisions I made to work locally because of the children. Had I worked in the private sector and spent two hours a day commuting, I'd have earned probably an additional £150,000 at least over 20 years. I am grateful for the increase in pension age because it gave me a crack at having a second career.

To date the DC have claimed not a penny from the state.

Our parents, mothers born 1936, fathers 1929, also worked for most of their lives. DH's father was made redundant aged 55 in the early 80s and received an occupational pension, his mother retired from teaching aged 60 several years later. Not a penny did they claim or were they entitled to. My mother always had work in her field until her 30s when she started a small business and did my stepfather's paperwork which was not insubstantial. Mother stopped her business at about 56 when she took on caring for her elderly parents. FIL died aged 80, my father worked until 65 and died from cancer aged 69 (he didn't exactly benefit from 30 years of pension as many don't)

DH's and my grandparents also worked exceptionally hard. Mine worked until about 70 (farm), DH's retired at retirement age but his grandfather got a little job associated with his previous role and did it (2-3 hours a day) until he was 90.

Most of our contemporaries are similar.

DS and DIL, in their late 20s, earn about £75k between them. They are presently renting but even without help from us (which they will have - far more than I had) they have worked out that they could, together, buy a small flat on the outskirts of London. The money from their grandparents will go straight to the children when the time comes - we don't need it - it will help them.

In short for three generations my family have worked hard (men and women), have paid tax (60% in the 80s), my grandparents had a stinging tax bill in the 70s which resulted in a farm, held for four generations being sold, and not one of us has received a penny from the state in excess of our contributions (our grandparents and parents were all born before 1947 so didn't have the NHS for their whole lives). The 1947 Bevan promise was from cradle to grave. My grandmother became severely ill with Alzheimers from the mid 80s. When she needed nursing care in a nursing home, do you think the state willingly paid. No of course not.

Economies and property is cyclical. The turn of the Millenniels and Gen X will come once property crashes and will benefit from inflationary salary increases.

The resentment and ill placed envy, whingeing and jealousy on this thread is horrendous. But of course older people in this country have had so many more privileges than the generations behind them. Not.

IClaudine · 21/04/2023 08:57

Well the truth of the matter is that those born after 1994 or so will have come of age at a time when a degree was more or less compulsory if they wanted to do anything other than a manual or minimum wage job, and the fees had been raised to £9,000 a year by a government none of them voted for (because they were at most 16 at the time), by a combination of (a) Boomers Tory voters of all ages who voted Tory, and (b) Millennials who voted Lib Dem in large part for their pledge to abolish tuition fees and then were immediately betrayed

Fixed that for you.

I am fucking sick of this ageism. I am a very late Boomer/Gen X depending on which cut off date you use. I have never voted Tory, neither have my friends. What we did do is campaign for equal rights, for better pay and conditions, against war etc.

There are plenty of non Boomers who vote Tory. Plenty. Otherwise the Tories would not keep getting in.

mewkins · 21/04/2023 08:58

It's odd to focus on this as needing to end. Should every 'freebie' (eg tax funded service) need to be means tested or is it just those for over 60s? Should everyone earning decent income be paying for education, GP appointments, etc too? Or just those that benefit older people specifically?

Oldnproud · 21/04/2023 09:05

taxguru
... A few decades ago, people with "normal/average paid" jobs could afford to buy a house - now in lots of areas, that's simply no longer possible. So the "rich" get richer (due to inheritance) the poor stay poor. That's a classic example of boomers pulling up the drawbridge behind them. It's alright for them and their families, but sod the children who don't have parents with their own houses!

Surely the ridiculous house prices now are almost entirely due to the fact that there are simply not enough houses now, which has nothing to do with how affordable they were decades ago? A matter of supply and demand, and all that.

Nothing whatsoever to do with the boomers pulling up the drawbridge behind them, as far as I can see.

Blame those who are responsible for planning future housing needs, who actually have control over such things - governments, local authority planning committees perhaps - not an entire generation who simply got on with their lives as best they could at the time, like all those before and after them.

RosesAndHellebores · 21/04/2023 09:06

PS: I don't think I should get free prescriptions just because I'm over 60!

IClaudine · 21/04/2023 09:10

Oldnproud the Boomers could solve the housing crisis by giving up their houses and downsizing to one bedroom flats, the selfish old buggers. They really had a nerve buying houses thirty, forty, fifty years ago. The audacity of them is breathtaking.

MargotBamborough · 21/04/2023 09:10

IClaudine · 21/04/2023 08:57

Well the truth of the matter is that those born after 1994 or so will have come of age at a time when a degree was more or less compulsory if they wanted to do anything other than a manual or minimum wage job, and the fees had been raised to £9,000 a year by a government none of them voted for (because they were at most 16 at the time), by a combination of (a) Boomers Tory voters of all ages who voted Tory, and (b) Millennials who voted Lib Dem in large part for their pledge to abolish tuition fees and then were immediately betrayed

Fixed that for you.

I am fucking sick of this ageism. I am a very late Boomer/Gen X depending on which cut off date you use. I have never voted Tory, neither have my friends. What we did do is campaign for equal rights, for better pay and conditions, against war etc.

There are plenty of non Boomers who vote Tory. Plenty. Otherwise the Tories would not keep getting in.

You can be outraged all you want but the data clearly shows which age groups are voting the Tories in.

mewkins · 21/04/2023 09:12

Oldnproud · 21/04/2023 09:05

taxguru
... A few decades ago, people with "normal/average paid" jobs could afford to buy a house - now in lots of areas, that's simply no longer possible. So the "rich" get richer (due to inheritance) the poor stay poor. That's a classic example of boomers pulling up the drawbridge behind them. It's alright for them and their families, but sod the children who don't have parents with their own houses!

Surely the ridiculous house prices now are almost entirely due to the fact that there are simply not enough houses now, which has nothing to do with how affordable they were decades ago? A matter of supply and demand, and all that.

Nothing whatsoever to do with the boomers pulling up the drawbridge behind them, as far as I can see.

Blame those who are responsible for planning future housing needs, who actually have control over such things - governments, local authority planning committees perhaps - not an entire generation who simply got on with their lives as best they could at the time, like all those before and after them.

Exactly. There is so much blame for the people who have just lived according to the rules set for them. Blame those who made the rules rather than those who simply followed them.

IClaudine · 21/04/2023 09:13

MargotBamborough · 21/04/2023 09:10

You can be outraged all you want but the data clearly shows which age groups are voting the Tories in.

Indeed. People 40+. Not just Boomers.

IClaudine · 21/04/2023 09:16

Blame boomers. Blame refugees. Blame disabled people. Blame trans people. All popular scapegoats on MN. All a distraction from the real issues.

RosesAndHellebores · 21/04/2023 09:20

If someone has bought and paid for their home, whatever its size, they cannot be forced to sell-up or to sell for less than its market value. We can stay in our home because we can afford its upkeep. A couple on average wages with a gang of children could not once community charge, utilities, house and garden maintenance, etc are factored in.

Somersetgirl1 · 21/04/2023 09:21

allmyliesaretrue · 20/04/2023 22:20

Same when I went in 1981. Parents had to pay my living costs and those of two other siblings who went to uni after me. However the world and the universe got its revenge on us as 'evil boomers' (albeit only just boomers!) when we had to put our own three kids through uni.

Also still have them all living at home... Elder two have had to come home post uni. One in permanent FT career job, saving up to buy a home. Second, jobhunting post-graduation in chosen field. Youngest - in uni. So now at 60, we are fully supporting and very nearly fully supporting, three adult children.

Work with a colleague same age as me, only they went straight into work while I was at uni, and so they now have 9 more years' pensionable service than I do... then there were the 'contracted out' years.... Didn't start to pay into a pension until I was 28.

Paid through the nose for childcare for 18 years - so still paying a mortgage, albeit relatively small. When I graduated, I could have expected to have been retired already. Now I have to carry on for another 7 years.

When we bought our first house I was between jobs having just moved country and the mortgage adviser told us we couldn't afford it. Fortunately the mortgage company took us on. TG we decided not to buy a flat in London, because we'd probably still be saddled with the debt, as mortgage rates soared to 15%!

We did way more in terms of recycling back then, milk bottles/soft drinks, didn't use plastic bags, travelled much less and less far afield. There was much less car ownership. Etc etc. Yet somehow this generation gets the blame for everything that's wrong in the world.

As for that pipsqueak who suggested we "earn respect", I have fucking earned every stripe of that respect!!! It's as though we all as individuals chose to trash the world for future generations ie our own children and grandchildren???! Really??? Wind your neck in. We're all just doing our best in an imperfect world!

Agreed - must be same age as life pretty much followed same path re Uni, Mortgages etc etc. Now I am constantly told how 'easy' it was for me to get a mortgage/to train & have a career etc etc. I once mentioned about 15% interest on mortgage........the person thought it was because I had a bad credit rating!!!!!!

RosesAndHellebores · 21/04/2023 09:27

1981 was the hardest year on record in relation to young people getting work. There were no jobs even for newly qualified teachers and doctors.

Swg · 21/04/2023 10:16

I'm only forty but I would be in that long queue getting a massive bag of meds for free.

I paid for my prepayment certificate (because I need four or five prescriptions a month) but you're not going to know that when you watch me. My doctor insisted I fill out the form when she realised how much I was paying nd that I felt too lousy to do it in prompted.

I also look pretty healthy because five minutes at the chemist shows nothing.

I get bavk into a car which is yes, pretty expensive and far too big for me because it was bought before I got sick and car shopping takes energy.

Five minutes shows you nothing.

Oldnproud · 21/04/2023 10:21

IClaudine · 21/04/2023 09:10

Oldnproud the Boomers could solve the housing crisis by giving up their houses and downsizing to one bedroom flats, the selfish old buggers. They really had a nerve buying houses thirty, forty, fifty years ago. The audacity of them is breathtaking.

I know - so bloody inconsiderate. And it would get so much easier to do all the free childcare for the grandchildren in a little flat, too. Overnight stays for the little ones would be so lovely and cosy too, as they could all bunk up together. What's not to like. Don't know why they aren't all fighting to move into these little one bedroom places - or 'starter homes' as first-time buyers often call them ...

Oldnproud · 21/04/2023 10:28

MargotBamborough · 21/04/2023 09:10

You can be outraged all you want but the data clearly shows which age groups are voting the Tories in.

Data also shows that most voters did not vote Tory, so yet again, it comes back to politicians and the political system that still operates a voting system that was designed when voters only had two parties to choose from.

MargotBamborough · 21/04/2023 10:39

Oldnproud · 21/04/2023 10:28

Data also shows that most voters did not vote Tory, so yet again, it comes back to politicians and the political system that still operates a voting system that was designed when voters only had two parties to choose from.

But more people voted for the Tories than for any other party, and most of those people are older.

I agree that the electoral system needs reforming, but I don't know a single person actively campaigning to change it.

Anyway, I think it's incredibly unfair to blame anyone for getting into student debt given that everyone who goes to university does so under a system implemented by a government elected before they were even old enough to vote.

At least older millennials like me, who voted for the Lib Dems in 2010 for their pledge to abolish tuition fees despite the fact that we had already graduated, were voting to make things better rather than worse for those who came after us.

RosesAndHellebores · 21/04/2023 10:40

We may happily give up our large, family home when the dc have young and growing families. We could transfer ownership to one of the DC and avoid a huge IHT bill providing we live, or one of us does, for another 7 years. I'm not sure if that's what a pp quite meant when suggesting the oldies give up their outsized homes but I'm quite certain they wouldn't refuse the opportunity. Wink

No doubt it may not happen because once the dc have their own dc, according to millenials and gen z's on MNet, our DC will no longer speak to us because we refused to take on regular childcare from 7.30am to 7.30pm at least three days a week for their pre-schoolers once in our late 60s/early 70s having provided them with far too much advantage and privilege growing up.

Rainyrunway · 21/04/2023 11:00

You know people wouldn't NEED so much childcare if they could afford to pay their rent on 1 salary so the other parent could stay home. Or if you could get a full time nursery place for under around £1000 per month per child.
FWIW my parents have never looked after mine on a regular basis. They have them for an evening on my or DH's birthday or our wedding anniversary. We've never asked for more, nor have they offered. And in my social circle none of my friends use their parents for regular childcare (although quite a few do have the GC over night every month or 2) Its a myth that most millennials expect regular childcare for free

Iwasafool · 21/04/2023 11:08

MargotBamborough · 21/04/2023 09:10

You can be outraged all you want but the data clearly shows which age groups are voting the Tories in.

Are there enough old people (however you define them -boomers/pensioners or whatever) to vote the Tories in if everyone else voted Labour? That is apart from the fact that man old people don't vote for the Tories.

Iwasafool · 21/04/2023 11:09

Rainyrunway · 21/04/2023 11:00

You know people wouldn't NEED so much childcare if they could afford to pay their rent on 1 salary so the other parent could stay home. Or if you could get a full time nursery place for under around £1000 per month per child.
FWIW my parents have never looked after mine on a regular basis. They have them for an evening on my or DH's birthday or our wedding anniversary. We've never asked for more, nor have they offered. And in my social circle none of my friends use their parents for regular childcare (although quite a few do have the GC over night every month or 2) Its a myth that most millennials expect regular childcare for free

But they'd get told on MN that they should be working and independent and thinking of their pensions if they give up work.

Iwasafool · 21/04/2023 11:14

From what I can find online just under 20% of the UK population is aged over 65. How can 20% of the population vote the Tories into power if no one else votes Tory? 22% aged under 18 so can't vote, that leaves 58% of the population being able to vote but under 65.

mumof2many1943 · 21/04/2023 11:14

Apologies if this has been said before but perhaps free prescriptions should be limited to those on pension credit and universal credit of course.
Another gripe of mine is free bus passes for the over 60’s. Loads of my friends have two cars and still have passes!

RosesAndHellebores · 21/04/2023 11:17

When ds went to a day nursery in 1995, three days per week, the cost was about £697 pcm in London. Why would people in 2023 expect to get nursery fees for less than than pro-rata almost 30 years later?