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To think that Ian Paterson wasn't the only surgeon mutilating women?

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Alcemeg · 17/04/2023 18:38

Recent news about Ian Paterson being under further investigation got me thinking about an episode buried deep in my past.

In 1981, I was doing my year abroad for a language degree. On one of my visits home to the UK, I saw the GP about a tiny lump on the skin of my breast - I think it was a wart.

Because of its location, he said to be on the safe side a biopsy would be advisable. Just a tiny nick in the flesh and a stitch.

I attended a hospital in Birmingham and the very young surgeon came round to meet his patients. For some reason we were all sitting in curtained-off cubicles. Just before he got to me, I heard him say to the woman he was assessing, "You're going to look like a butcher's shop by the time I've finished with you."

He was nonchalant with me and although the op was done under local anaesthetic, he covered my face, which felt oddly dehumanising. He was making weird jokes with the nurses throughout the procedure.

There was a dressing over the wound that they told me not to remove for a week. By then I was abroad again. When I removed the dressing, there were three gashes across my breast, ranging from an inch to about three inches. The top one in particular had been sewn so badly that the stitches had come loose, leaving a gaping wound that took a long time to heal and scarred badly.

There was no pathology report, as the specimen never reached the lab.

A few years later I managed to get scar revision surgery (referred by my GP, who said I'd been mutilated), but I often wondered what on earth that surgeon did to the woman who he'd promised to "butcher."

When I first read the news about Ian Paterson, I thought surely it must have been him. The location, the specialty, the cruel and dismissive remarks, the clumsy and unnecessary cuts. But I think he would have been too young at the time (he's 63 now). Which only makes me wonder if there was a whole network of nutters wielding scalpels around the Midlands?!

YABU - Just a bad day for that surgeon, normally caring and competent
YANBU - Mavericks once ruled surgical care, and some of them were bonkers

Not sure what the point of this post is really, except to have a bit of a moan and say I really hope standards of care have improved over the decades.

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IrregularChoiceFan · 17/04/2023 18:43

No idea OP as I have very little experience with surgeons doing this sort of procedure but it sounds really really scary!

I like to think I would have walked out if I was the lady next to you being threatened in that way. But in reality I probably would have assumed he was joking and just accepted whatever happened after 😟I hope she was okay.

SpringSparrow · 17/04/2023 18:43

Omg that is awful. I’m so sorry that he did that to you. I’m glad you were able to get scar revision surgery. Is there any chance of complaining now?

1098765four · 17/04/2023 18:45

this is the first I have heard of it, I am so sorry you experienced that. People who do things like this give me serial killer vibes, it sounds like theres a deep hatred towards women. It's creepy to think that there were so many serial killers in the 80s becuase they could get away with it then due to lack of DNA analysis and digital footprint. Now theres probably the same amount of men capable of being a serial killer but are smart enough to know they won't get away with this. These men who want to hurt woman but don't want to get caught do so in other ways such as this. Horrible.

Do you think it is just women?

Alcemeg · 17/04/2023 18:46

@IrregularChoiceFan I think she actually needed breast surgery of some kind, like a proper biopsy. I should never have been referred, it was only a skin thing.

@SpringSparrow I wouldn't know who to complain to, or who to complain about! I've no idea who the guy was.

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Spambod · 17/04/2023 18:54

There have been many, there was a gynaecologist a few years ago, I think leadbetter was his name. A similar case. It’s not really shocking. The nhs by its very nature will attract these monsters and a lack of safeguarding ensures they remain untouched.

CalloohCallayFrabjousDay · 17/04/2023 18:55

Alcemeg · 17/04/2023 18:46

@IrregularChoiceFan I think she actually needed breast surgery of some kind, like a proper biopsy. I should never have been referred, it was only a skin thing.

@SpringSparrow I wouldn't know who to complain to, or who to complain about! I've no idea who the guy was.

There must be something in your medical records as to who carried out the procedure? Most GP surgeries will give you a copy of your records for a fee.

CalloohCallayFrabjousDay · 17/04/2023 18:56

See www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/about-the-nhs/how-to-get-your-medical-records/

Snoopyandthemuppets · 17/04/2023 18:57

It should be in your notes. Ask the practice manager to look. And yes if you get anything complain.

Alcemeg · 17/04/2023 18:59

I just don't think they kept medical records in 1981 in quite the way they do now. Nothing was digital, it was all ledgers kept in biro!

The GP who referred me is long dead and his practice no longer exists.

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N0tfinished · 17/04/2023 19:03

There was a similar case in Ireland - copying this from Wikipedia - Michael Neary is a former Irish consultant obstetrician/gynaecologist who carried out unnecessary surgical removal of the wombs of 129 women, many immediately following delivery of a baby. This happened while he worked at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Drogheda, County Louth.

He wasn't struck off till 2003, this seemed to be happening in the 80's and 90's. It looks like initially he was shielded by the hospital culture, then by initial inquiry.

PerfectYear321 · 17/04/2023 19:04

N0tfinished · 17/04/2023 19:03

There was a similar case in Ireland - copying this from Wikipedia - Michael Neary is a former Irish consultant obstetrician/gynaecologist who carried out unnecessary surgical removal of the wombs of 129 women, many immediately following delivery of a baby. This happened while he worked at Our Lady of Lourdes Hospital in Drogheda, County Louth.

He wasn't struck off till 2003, this seemed to be happening in the 80's and 90's. It looks like initially he was shielded by the hospital culture, then by initial inquiry.

Massive arse-covering culture in medicine

N0tfinished · 17/04/2023 19:06

@PerfectYear321 totally, particularly in women's health

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 17/04/2023 19:10

I just don't think they kept medical records in 1981 in quite the way they do now. Nothing was digital, it was all ledgers kept in biro!

I was 4 in 1981 and living in Germany (father in the UK military). My records from then made it back to England, then abroad again, back to Germany and finally to Scotland so you may be surprised. I was when a consultant browsing mine in a Scottish hospital asked about a totally unrelated issue from childhood having read about in my notes.

On surgeons, nothing would surprise me. I dated one once who during a drunken argument carved my name into his arm. Whilst he was superficially charming, he was controlling and I don't think he "liked" women at all.

UncomfortableSofa · 17/04/2023 19:37

It's definitely worth trying to get your records.

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