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To completely blame the Tories for the state of dentistry and think it’s a disgrace they’re doing nothing about it.

101 replies

N0addedsalt · 11/04/2023 11:54

They’ve been in power for a long time. They’ve let the dire situation of dentistry develop and are doing absolutely nothing about it.

OP posts:
Whammyyammy · 11/04/2023 13:53

Reality25 · 11/04/2023 13:50

No you have choices. You could plan ahead and take care of your teeth to not get rotting teeth in the first place.

Or you can of course use the desire to fix your teeth as motivation to earn more.

Or if that's not enough motivation then you can choose to put up with it.

Basically you can take some responsibility for your life.

I agree, but sadly we live in an entitled society.
Both me and husband both pay higher rate taxes in, but get little out. Both private dentists, I'm private healthcare, husband gets his through work.

We both value out health, including teeth, so happy to pay for it, and certainly don't expect others to bear that responsibility

Reality25 · 11/04/2023 13:53

Diefrausagtnein · 11/04/2023 13:41

@Reality25 ah yes
'The culture today is one where many net receivers feel entitled to more and more from the social pot.'
You mean pensioners or HR tax payers who know every tax avoiding tip in
the book ?
Those ones ?

Sure, net receivers can come from a variety of backgrounds.

A corrupt politician for example is likely a net receiver.

KHeathen · 11/04/2023 13:54

Yep. I wholeheartedly agree OP. It's shocking that a whole industry has been privatised under our noses (quite literally!!)

Same as the poster who was kicked off the books during lockdown when dentists were shut, then not doing any dental work other than check-ups. Without warning, my entire family were unceremoniously kicked off the books although I'd tried to rebook our cancelled appointments (cancelled by the dentist, not me)

Then, surprise, surprise, they could take us back on as long as we paid for a family Denplan as dentist was no longer doing any NHS at allHmm

Happened to lots of patients, many of whom cannot afford to go private or can't find one and are, therefore, stuffed particularly in an emergency.

We were lucky and found a great private dentist who took us on. But I hate the attitude that everyone should just go private...as if it's that easy for many, many people

roarfeckingroarr · 11/04/2023 13:56

Never had a problem. Signed up for an NHS dentist in December for my family and had check ups, scale and polish etc.

I know it's in fashion to blame the Tories for everything but it was awful under Labour and won't get better if Starmer comes in.

mogtheexcellent · 11/04/2023 13:57

I switched to private when labour had been in power for a good few years as I couldnt find an NHS dentist.

I think this is one thing I can't blame the tories for.

diflasu · 11/04/2023 13:59

The government which has been in power for 13 years is.

I think it been 22 year of Welsh Labour and prior to moving here in England we'd always found an NHS dentist - took some work and travel but not in Wales - our bit had no NHS dentist well before covid. It's like our English relatives have post pandemic caught up to where we were years ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64761201:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64646971 NHS Wales: True scale of dentistry crisis unclear - MSs

Dentist and patient

Dentists could give up NHS work in Wales, group warns

Some may quit NHS contracts over threats of fines, costs and paper work, dentists warn.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64761201

Tarantellah · 11/04/2023 14:00

Reality25 · 11/04/2023 13:50

No you have choices. You could plan ahead and take care of your teeth to not get rotting teeth in the first place.

Or you can of course use the desire to fix your teeth as motivation to earn more.

Or if that's not enough motivation then you can choose to put up with it.

Basically you can take some responsibility for your life.

Sorry but that’s a shocking opinion. People don’t earn less because they’re not sufficiently motivated. They can also lose their jobs or be disabled, or disadvantaged in other ways, not smart enough to get qualifications or simply not lucky enough to get promoted. Saying that people (and their children) who aren’t fortunate enough to be able to afford private dentistry deserve to have bad teeth is awful.

And it has nothing to do with not looking after your teeth either. I take good care of mine but they deteriorate as you get older. Or maybe you have an accident and break a tooth. Or maybe pregnancy or illness affects your teeth.

Honestly I have never heard such elitist claptrap. The NHS was created so people had access to medical and dental treatment regardless of their income. Nobody deserves to suffer in pain because they don’t have enough money to fix it.

GobbieMaggie · 11/04/2023 14:03

Labour did sweet FA under Blair and then introduced set contracts, which led to more privatisation. Makes me laugh to have to point this out.

Lollygaggle · 11/04/2023 14:03

No one, including governments over the decades , is interested in what the people actually working in dentistry think. There is a select committee hearing at the moment and the majority of views are either non dentists (registrar of GDC ) or never worked in high street dentistry.

Dentists know there is no more money available and the annual spend per year per patient treated, including patient charge is around £36.

Dentists solution is , overwhelmingly , a core service. Ie a service to get rid of pain. Check up, x rays, extractions , simple fillings, perhaps root treatment on front teeth, simple plastic dentures. Over 50% of the budget for children's dental health is spent on braces , this seems wrong when kids in pain are waiting years for a general anaesthetic to take teeth out , or when many will never see a dentist. So raise the bar again for orthodontic treatment to only the most severe cases.

Everything else private.

The problem is no government is brave enough to say we cannot afford world class comprehensive NHS dentistry. So they cut and cut and cut the money.

As in so much of healthcare we need to take brown up decisions as to what we can and cant afford. Dentists say spend the money on making sure everyone can see someone and afford treatment that will get them out of pain.

rwalker · 11/04/2023 14:05

Diefrausagtnein · 11/04/2023 13:39

@rwalker up for raising taxes then ? What if you don't earn enough to pay for private dentistry ? Are we just supposed to suck it up and put up with rotting teeth because we don't work hard enough ?

Yes I would pay for tax for better public services

Whammyyammy · 11/04/2023 14:07

rwalker · 11/04/2023 14:05

Yes I would pay for tax for better public services

Happy to pay more from your wages to fund a health system. Why not just pay for private healthcare instead? What's the difference

roarfeckingroarr · 11/04/2023 14:12

Private dentistry really isn't much if you get a plan. I pay £19 pcm for me and my toddler to have six monthly check ups and hygienist appointments - and that's in v nice part of London.

GobbieMaggie · 11/04/2023 14:16

rwalker · 11/04/2023 14:05

Yes I would pay for tax for better public services

How much more bearing in mind 25% of the working population don’t pay any tax !.

Tarantellah · 11/04/2023 14:17

Whammyyammy · 11/04/2023 14:07

Happy to pay more from your wages to fund a health system. Why not just pay for private healthcare instead? What's the difference

Because a public healthcare system benefits everyone who needs it. Whereas a private healthcare system only benefits the people who can afford it.

cosmiccosmos · 11/04/2023 14:17

Dentistry is in a dire state if you can't afford private. However this is definitely a case where people are not doing their bit with teeth care. The amount of children needing fillings and havjng to have extractions is down to poor oral care. Too many people on this country expecting everything to be paid for but not doing their bit to minimise these problems band health conditions.

Why should someone whose highly trained work for nothing? Yes more NHS dentistry should be available but it will never be enough (bit like the NHS).

cosmiccosmos · 11/04/2023 14:18

No sorry I'm not paying any more tax when there are so many from all walks of life taking taking taking.

Neededanewuserhandle · 11/04/2023 14:19

Whammyyammy · 11/04/2023 14:07

Happy to pay more from your wages to fund a health system. Why not just pay for private healthcare instead? What's the difference

Some of the money goes to Sir Bufton Fucking Tufton and his mates, that's a the fucking difference.

Neededanewuserhandle · 11/04/2023 14:20

GobbieMaggie · 11/04/2023 14:16

How much more bearing in mind 25% of the working population don’t pay any tax !.

That's total arse - they still pay plenty of tax even if they don't pay income tax.

maddy68 · 11/04/2023 14:28

maddy68 · 11/04/2023 13:43

I live in Spain. My dentist here came from abbey country that had been working in the uk for 20yrs. Brexit made him return to an su country. We have lots here and it's really inexpensive (Free state dentistry for basic treatment)

So many typos .. new phone!
I paid €16 for a filling privately last week. There is a dentist on almost every street in my town State cover is free for children and emergency treatment for adults so if you have pain they will do the filling or extraction etc but not routine cleaning etc

Wetnwindy · 11/04/2023 14:28

Tarantellah · 11/04/2023 14:00

Sorry but that’s a shocking opinion. People don’t earn less because they’re not sufficiently motivated. They can also lose their jobs or be disabled, or disadvantaged in other ways, not smart enough to get qualifications or simply not lucky enough to get promoted. Saying that people (and their children) who aren’t fortunate enough to be able to afford private dentistry deserve to have bad teeth is awful.

And it has nothing to do with not looking after your teeth either. I take good care of mine but they deteriorate as you get older. Or maybe you have an accident and break a tooth. Or maybe pregnancy or illness affects your teeth.

Honestly I have never heard such elitist claptrap. The NHS was created so people had access to medical and dental treatment regardless of their income. Nobody deserves to suffer in pain because they don’t have enough money to fix it.

Agree @Tarantellah …everything about @Reality25 comment validates the OP and also how ignorant people can be !

Felixss · 11/04/2023 14:29

I fly abroad to Europe for dental treatment little city break and £30 flight.

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Fullrecoveryispossible · 11/04/2023 14:33

This isn’t a Tory problem. This is a dentistry problem. The issue with NHS dentistry is so complex and the system so out of date that it doesn’t work in the modern day. The dental contract effectively means NHS dentists in some areas are losing money due to very low UDA rates which were set by a Labour government. Dentistry has always been part private, the only reason more dentists are moving to private only is because it’s not viable to be an NHS dentist.

Felixss · 11/04/2023 14:42

I don't know what people expect. Dentists spend 10 years training it's a rigorous course and they should be appropriately financially compensated. The NHS weren't paying dentists enough for treatment so they went to do private work. The tax burden is already too high I think we paid 60k last year we don't use 60K . I fund my dental and elective medical stuff myself. DD uses the NHS as she needs braces and qualifies.

Tarantellah · 11/04/2023 14:45

DD uses the NHS as she needs braces and qualifies.
That only works if you can gain access to a NHS dentist. Thousands can’t.