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Car finance

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Freshstarts22 · 09/04/2023 09:54

Aibu to get a car on finance if I obviously can’t afford to buy outright? It would be a used car regardless.
My faithful car is 18 this year. I bought it around 6 years ago.
I really want something newer and with air conditioning. My budget is fairly small, around £250pm.

If I do go for it, what do most people do HP or PCP? PCP is usually cheaper but then you’re essentially tied in forever I understand?

Am I missing anything?

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GoodChat · 09/04/2023 09:57

Get a bank loan. Payments will be cheaper, you can over pay and if, worst case scenario, you could no longer afford it, you can sell the car to pay off the loan.

Aprilx · 09/04/2023 09:59

It is quite normal to borrow for a car if you can’t afford outright, nothing wrong with that if you have a good idea of what monthly payment you can make and feel fairly secure in your work. I have done so in the past, I opted to arrange finance myself i.e. take a bank loan, rather than get into a finance agreement with a car dealer.

ALittleBitAlexa · 09/04/2023 10:00

I think you should do a bit more research. You're absolutely not tied into PCP forever, you can hand it back at the end of the term (you may need to pay for mileage if you've gone over your agreement, e.g. 8000 miles a year may be included in your contract but if you've done 9000 a year you'll need to pay the excess). A bank loan is a good suggestion if you're buying a used car. I've always had brand new cars on PCP, it just works for me. Depending on the car you want you could definitely get something brand new within your budget if you'd consider a smaller car. I'd choose PCP over hire purchase purely because it's more flexible. After the 3/4 years you either choose to pay the balance and keep the car or you hand it back, plus monthly payments are smaller as you're not paying off the full balance.

Neededanewuserhandle · 09/04/2023 10:02

Just here for the bingo - prize for the the first twonk who mentions "a depreciating asset" as if they were Warren Buffet.

Coolblur · 09/04/2023 10:09

How do you think most (not all) people afford to buy cars? Fo you really think everyone is shelling out 10/20/30/40k+ in cash for their shiny new motor every 3 or 4 years? Or that they're all company cars? Of course they aren't!

Don't only consider car finance or PCP. A personal loan may be better, or you could think about a car lease, they're good if you don't want any associated costs, however you'll never own the vehicle. Sometimes dealerships will have finance deals on so they could be the best option. It very much depends on what you want and how much you're spending.

GlitterSquid · 09/04/2023 10:09

Hi, I sell cars for a nationwide franchise.

There are a lot of myths about finance deals, but in reality it helps very many people who would not otherwise be able to invest in a new car onto the ladder.

Firstly, get a good trade in value for yours, even if you don't think it's worth anything it IS. Used car market is very buoyant at the moment and a lot of people are in it for reasonable little runarounds.

Even if it's as little as £100, use this as your deposit. PCP and HP will both accept this.

The PCP is structured into 3 parts. Deposit, payment period and end payment. The monthly repayments are generally less than HP, with the term usually spread over 3-4yrs. Then, once you reach the end the finance company will be in touch with you to see what you wish to do.
You are NOT tied in to a PCP arrangement and may settle or trade your car back in at any point without high penalties.
The end payment isn't plucked out of thin air, it's an approximation of the predicted future value of the vehicle at that point and given anticipated mileage.
Most finance companies will offer you the option of refinancing the end payment should you wish to keep the car.
I'm finding now that 3.5yrs down the line, customers are in a really strong position of positive equity to roll into another vehicle as a healthy deposit if they wish, but the market does fluctuate.

HP is the total cost of the vehicle spread across typically 5yrs with no huge end payment, ideal if you intend keeping the car long term but do attract a higher monthly payment, typically by a third.

In both scenarios, the finance company is the technical owner of the vehicle until paid back although you are the registered keeper with the V5 logbook in your name.
This does not mean you can't trade it back in at any point, as long as the finance is settled. No finance company wants a car back to deal with, their business is finance, not cars. They just wish it to be settled in one way or another.

Also, in both scenarios a monthly interest is also added although be careful of paying too much attention to APR, your interest will be paid as a flat rate and won't fluctuate over the term of the agreement.

There are other ways, a bank or personal loan over a longer period, this will attract a higher long term interest rate but you become full owner of the vehicle immediately as the loan is secured against you, and not the vehicle.

GlitterSquid · 09/04/2023 10:15

Also, don't be nervous to walk into a good dealership and ask for advice. We're there to help without obligation and any sales person should be more than happy to look at your situation with you over a coffee wether you ultimately buy or not.

If you're in the North West I'm certainly happy to help, again without holding you hostage Grin

Nishky32 · 09/04/2023 10:19

Money saving expert has a whole section on the website which is impartial ( no offence meant @GlitterSquid )

my brother has bought a couple of new cars and always gets a bank loan as it works out way cheaper.

GlitterSquid · 09/04/2023 10:19

Also, for £250pm, I can put you into a brand new, straight out of the showroom vehicle in PCP.
Manufacturers are currently offering absolutely killer low interest deals to get customers into new cars. Well worth considering.

Don't think you're out of the market....Wink

Nishky32 · 09/04/2023 10:22

Also consider the mileage, in lease and (I think) PCP, there is a set annual mileage with extra charges if you go over. You also have to hand back in good condition, so bodywork repairs will have to be paid for.

Money saving expert really breaks it all down.

BarbaraofSeville · 09/04/2023 10:23

The big difference with PCP is the balloon payment. If you don't pay this, or continue with another deal, with ongoing payments, you have no car.

If you get a personal loan, buy a car and keep it longer than it takes to pay it off, then use the time you have a car but no payments to save for your next car.

GlitterSquid · 09/04/2023 10:23

Nishky32 · 09/04/2023 10:19

Money saving expert has a whole section on the website which is impartial ( no offence meant @GlitterSquid )

my brother has bought a couple of new cars and always gets a bank loan as it works out way cheaper.

Oh no, I get it.

Believe it or not, salespeople (in my company) get NOTHING for selling finance. Its not incentivised at all...It's against FCA regulations.
We're genuinely not bothered either way wether a customer walks through the door with a platinum card, a personal loan or hopes of finance.

It's what's best for customer. It's a very personal choice but we do offer options.

RobinRobinMouse · 09/04/2023 10:23

Normally bank loans would be cheaper, but agree with pp that you could have a brand new car for less than that each month now. Dealers are very keen and will also knock off more and include more things (insurance, tyre changes etc) if you finance through them. We worked out everything and even with a slightly higher interest rate, the pcp deal on a new car was better than a bank loan on a second hand one.

Nishky32 · 09/04/2023 10:25

GlitterSquid · 09/04/2023 10:23

Oh no, I get it.

Believe it or not, salespeople (in my company) get NOTHING for selling finance. Its not incentivised at all...It's against FCA regulations.
We're genuinely not bothered either way wether a customer walks through the door with a platinum card, a personal loan or hopes of finance.

It's what's best for customer. It's a very personal choice but we do offer options.

That is really interesting- I assumed they do! Explains why a salesperson told my brother to go with the bank loan as they could not match the rate.

GlitterSquid · 09/04/2023 10:26

Genuinely, a dealership cannot recommend or hard sell any finance. FCA regulations, again.

It should be offered as a buying option, but no more.

And again, not incentivised in any way whatsoever.

I'm as made up if a customer walks the the door with an unexpected windfall as when they get accepted for finance.

Choose a reputable local company.

gingersnappz · 09/04/2023 10:29

Have a look at Autotrader - most of the dealers have soft search finance calculators on there so you can see what your payments would be on cars that you like for HCP and PCP.

Can then compare to the monthly bank payments as well using compare the market. Tesco and M&S have some low rate loans as a comparison.

Nitgel · 09/04/2023 10:58

I have a pcp and upgrade everyv2,3 years through ford, it's easy and cars change so much. Although my new one has no cd player :(

Nitgel · 09/04/2023 10:59

Also pay 20 a month for service and mot

Likethestarsabove547 · 09/04/2023 11:04

Don't do hire purchase, unless you're the kind of person who wants a new car after a few years.

I got a decent car, 2 years old 25000 miles for 196 a month. Nearly at the end of this now and will be keeping it.

I had one issue with the turbo which as it was in manufactures 3 year guarantee was fixed for free and was just unlucky. It's been fine since

Highly recommended looking into extended warranty and gap insurance

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