To not understand why CCTV doesn't put people off doing wrong?

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We all know there are cameras everywhere today filming us and that CCTV is used in court etc.
Why are so many people still doing wrong when they know a clear image of them will be caught and given to the police.

Are people thick?
Even if I wanted to commit a crime I wouldn't I know that I'd be filmed. You have got to expect it today. Your even tracked in your car on camera what journeys you take etc.

Wayne Couzens who murdered Sarah Everard was caught by cameras.
Everything he did, hiring the car, his movements, her getting into the car was tracked?
He must have known?
How did he hope,and others too get away with it?

God why would you choose a life in prison, instead of getting some therapy and help?

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I think cameras are a deterrent for some people, but some really don't seem to care, or even bother looking.

For example

Not thick no. Most are just aware that the police don't give a flying fuck about 99% of crimes, that the chances of getting caught are slim and that the chances of actually being charged/found guilty are even slimmer.

In Wayne Couzens case I wouldn't be surprised if he half expected them to cover for him again tbh.

The police shared a picture of a guy in TKMaxx stealing and asked for people to contact them if they knew who he was. It was a very clear cctv photo of him and the police had raided his flat several weeks previously, you'd think they'd have been able to identify him. Lots of comments online about oh look who it is and someone even tagged him, but he never got a visit from the police about it.

The police only trawl through CCTV for the worst offences, i.e. murder and rape, etc. They're not interested in everything else. Even if you send them cctv footage of minor crimes, they don't bother taking action, make no effort to identify offenders, etc. Criminals know that no-one in authority cares about relatively minor crimes, so CCTV isn't a disincentive to them.

That dosent make sense because everyone knows you start off small and then go on to bigger things.

If they investigated what they call low level crimes it might stop people escalating onto more.

Our paper locally reported a smashed car window today asking if anyone saw anything.

I don't think you have a very informed or imaginative understanding of how people end up on a path to committing crimes OP.

Aside from your Wayne Couzens of the world (thankfully comparitively rare and deranged enough that few could imagine what might lead to such hideous actions), criminals tend not to make rationally thought out decisions with sound risk assessment.

Strategies that assume they do, then being surprised when those strategies don't work, get us nowhere. See the last fifteen years of policy on anti-social behaviour.

Despite it being 2023, a lot of CCTV isn’t worth the electricity as any images can’t be made out and are therefore completely worthless. Add to that that a lot are also dummy cameras or broken, and you can see why desperate criminals might take their chances.

A friend was sexually assaulted at night, and the CCTV in the area was of such poor quality it couldn’t be used.

In the depths of desperation and depravity a lot of people fail to stop and think about CCTV anyway.

I've not worked in SE England for many years, but CCTV has been critical in solving so many serious crimes. I do understand the civil liberties risks, but for me personally I'm all in favour of such systems (and more!) being used.

Some criminals are not forensically aware, but some are and these are classified as "experts", or you'll also see "organized" / "disorganized" classification. They've done research, they have practiced, completed trial runs, know the police process and tools, have a script they follow and sometimes refine and adjust based on what has happened, etc. Improvements in practice and tools now allows (in theory!) better "linkage" of cases based on what happened in the crime.

I'm not familiar with the WC case in detail, but it seems like he was going to do something like that, regardless of being caught? What is shocking for me is the lack of proper investigation of the prior reports about the man, and the tolerant attitude of his co-workers and organization. It is really appalling. I can't imagine the thoughts of the family, that something like this could have been avoided.

Because the criminals who get caught are not the intelligent criminals. The intelligent criminals are sat in their big houses with their big cars looking like normal respectable people while their minions go about doing their dirty work and getting locked up.

Anyone see this?

Paramedic gets caught in the act? worth it much for £60 now everyone knows?

https://www.itv.com/news/central/2023-04-07/paramedic-who-stole-money-from-elderly-woman-moments-after-she-died-avoids-jail

The Boots where I live has very little stock on the make up shelves, even the basic ranges. I assumed that this was another supply changing issue but on asking a member of staff why they never had any stock out they said it was because the level of shoplifting was out of control and that even the half used testers are stolen. Apparently people don't care as they know police and stores don't have the capacity to prosecute. Staff are afraid to challenge them, especially if underage because they don't know how they might react and if they accuse someone they claim they are being victimised or discriminated against. How can we expect to have a law abiding society when even the most basic offences are not being investigated.