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Traffic lights at pedestrian crossing - who is at fault?

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EmotionalBruises · 05/04/2023 11:21

I was standing at a pedestrian crossing (not sure what type of crossing it's called, but there's an island in the middle), waiting to cross. I pressed the button and the traffic lights turned red, and the green man on the other side of the road shone. I crossed through the first part fine, and as I was walking through the second section, a driver blasted their horn at me before I had even made it to the other side of the road.

I looked at the traffic light, and it was flashing amber. It hadn't even turned green yet. The green man had disappeared (there's only one on either side of the crossings, so I only had one to look at), but it hadn't turned back to red.

AIBU in thinking that the driver should have waited for me to cross the road? It was flashing amber. I don't drive, but surely he should have waited for it to turn green? I can't stand the sound of cars beeping, so I gave him a dirty look.

OP posts:
thegrain · 05/04/2023 12:24

dementedpixie · 05/04/2023 12:04

The car is supposed to wait for the light to be green before moving forwards if someone is crossing so they are in the wrong.

No even if the light is green they shouldn't be moving forward if someone is crossing! That's basic driving.

dementedpixie · 05/04/2023 12:36

thegrain · 05/04/2023 12:24

No even if the light is green they shouldn't be moving forward if someone is crossing! That's basic driving.

I wasn't saying they could move forward if it was green and someone was crossing. Sorry if what I said implied that

jcyclops · 05/04/2023 12:38

Some people seem to think that an island in the crossing and/or the presence of a pedestrian push-button on the island means it is two separate crossings. This is NOT true. Highway Code (196-198) states:

You MUST stop when the red light shows. When the amber light is flashing, you MUST give way to any pedestrians on the crossing. If the amber light is flashing and there are no pedestrians on the crossing, you may proceed with caution.
Give way to anyone still crossing after the signal for vehicles has changed to green. This advice applies to all crossings.
Pelican crossings which go straight across the road are one crossing, even when there is a central island. You MUST wait for pedestrians who are crossing from the other side of the island.

Most crossings with an island are staggered, and these are two separate crossings. Straight crossings are a single crossing, even if there is an island and buttons like the one below.

Traffic lights at pedestrian crossing - who is at fault?
Hesma · 05/04/2023 12:39

You’re right OP. The flashing green man is a sign to pedestrians not to start crossing as they won’t have time to make it across. The flashing amber lights mean it is ok to proceed if the crossing is clear but you must wait for people on the crossing to finish crossing the road.

ShirleyPhallus · 05/04/2023 14:14

jcyclops · 05/04/2023 12:38

Some people seem to think that an island in the crossing and/or the presence of a pedestrian push-button on the island means it is two separate crossings. This is NOT true. Highway Code (196-198) states:

You MUST stop when the red light shows. When the amber light is flashing, you MUST give way to any pedestrians on the crossing. If the amber light is flashing and there are no pedestrians on the crossing, you may proceed with caution.
Give way to anyone still crossing after the signal for vehicles has changed to green. This advice applies to all crossings.
Pelican crossings which go straight across the road are one crossing, even when there is a central island. You MUST wait for pedestrians who are crossing from the other side of the island.

Most crossings with an island are staggered, and these are two separate crossings. Straight crossings are a single crossing, even if there is an island and buttons like the one below.

re your last paragraph and photo, I’m not sure that’s right - surely if you’re driving the lights would show red on one lane to show the pedestrians crossing but would be showing green to continue driving until the pedestrians press that button to cross over?

Frabbits · 05/04/2023 14:28

Not necessarily. Plenty of cases where a crossing has an island in the middle but the lights go to red in both directions.

In this case as per HC once someone has started crossing traffic in both directions must wait until they are fully across the road or have reached the middle and are clearly giving way to traffic.

jcyclops · 05/04/2023 14:37

ShirleyPhallus · 05/04/2023 14:14

re your last paragraph and photo, I’m not sure that’s right - surely if you’re driving the lights would show red on one lane to show the pedestrians crossing but would be showing green to continue driving until the pedestrians press that button to cross over?

No - on a straight crossing, all the lights for traffic are (and must be) synchronised and show the same colour at the same time - just as they would if there was no central island at all. If road planners want the lights to show green to traffic in one direction and red to traffic on the other side of the road, they have no choice but to install a staggered island.

If a pedestrian starts to cross a straight crossing on the green man and is only half way across the first carriageway when the amber lights start flashing, vehicles on both carriageways must wait until the pedestrian reaches the pavement on the other side (even if the lights go green before then)

As in the photo, you may see pedestrians waiting on the island on a straight crossing. This is because they may have crossed the first carriageway whilst the red man was showing because there was no traffic coming, or drivers on the second carriageway didn't know the rules and drove through the flashing amber when the pedestrians were still on the other side of the road.

Neededanewuserhandle · 05/04/2023 15:00

The flashing green man is a sign to pedestrians not to start crossing as they won’t have time to make it across.
Which 100% of pedestrians ignore rendering it a bit pointless.

urbanbuddha · 05/04/2023 15:22

He's at fault, you're supposed to wait until pedestrians have cleared the crossing regardless of what colour the lights are on because running them over is frowned upon.

😃This.

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