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To be absolutely furious and disgusted that a man who raped a 13 year old child when he was 17 has been given community service?!

76 replies

AngeloMysterioso · 04/04/2023 10:42

From the BBC-

A man who raped a 13-year-old schoolgirl in a park when he was 17 has avoided a prison sentence.

Sean Hogg, 21, attacked the girl in Dalkeith Country Park, Midlothian, on various occasions between March and June 2018.

Judge Lord Lake said that if the offence had been committed by an adult over 25, Hogg would have received a jail sentence of four or five years.

Instead he was ordered to do 270 hours of unpaid work.

Court papers stated Hogg, of Hamilton, South Lanarkshire, threatened the girl, seized her by the wrists and forced her to carry out a sex act before raping her.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-65164041

OP posts:
RoomOfRequirement · 04/04/2023 10:45

What the fuck! I am sick of living in such a patriarchal misogynistic society.

Rape should always be a life sentence or taking them round back and shooting them not fucking community service.

The judge should be arrested as well for endangering children. Fuck off.

Inthesamesinkingboat · 04/04/2023 10:48

did you see his smug face when leaving court? Absolute pig.

Aaron95 · 04/04/2023 10:50

I agree it is sickening given the details of the offences. That guy should be behind bars.

The reason for the sentence is that the offence was committed when the offender was under the age of 18 so he is being sentenced as a minor. Also tThe judge is only following sentencing guidelines which strongly recommend rehabilitation rather than incarceration. I disagree with those guidelines but anger needs to be directed to the Scottish sentencing Council which is the body which writes those rather than the judge.

pointythings · 04/04/2023 10:53

Those guidelines are ridiculous - I understand the desire to shift to rehabilitation, but some crimes should be excluded from that and rape is one of those.

focuslocus · 04/04/2023 11:00

Is rape basically legal now? Terrible time to be a woman, feels like society is regressing.

I always hear that the death penalty isn't necessary because sentences for things like murder and rape mean that the guilty are locked inside for many years as an alternative punishment but it seems like now liberal judges don't seem to even want custodial sentences for terrible crimes and they seem to view criminals as the real victims. Rape convictions statistics are dire and even when they are found guilty they either get let off (as in this case) or get a few years and then let out. The system really seems to hate women. It's horrifying.

BlueHeelers · 04/04/2023 11:09

YANBU

Rape is pretty much decriminalised nowadays.

G58 · 04/04/2023 11:26

RoomOfRequirement · 04/04/2023 10:45

What the fuck! I am sick of living in such a patriarchal misogynistic society.

Rape should always be a life sentence or taking them round back and shooting them not fucking community service.

The judge should be arrested as well for endangering children. Fuck off.

I don't know of anyone, male or female who think this is an acceptable punishment. The fault seems to lie with the SNP's (that's the party that had a woman in charge at the time) sentencing guidelines and the judge's interpretation of them.

It looks like the defence team are appealing (staggeringly enough) and it also looks like the Crown Prosecution Service will also be looking at this as its way, way too lenient.

I'd expect the bastard to be locked up soon enough.

Untitledsquatboulder · 04/04/2023 11:28

Thank you for posting this. I thought that I was the only one screaming at the screen when I read this this morning.

I am so sick of this shit. Repeated child rapist. Wtf is going on in Scotland?

MandyMotherOfBrian · 04/04/2023 11:30

This is nothing new. I’ve seen a few threads on this in the last few days, people quite rightly up in arms over it. But it’s been going on for absolutely ever. It’s something like 410 men have been given non custodial sentences, community sentences or complete discharges - even though they were convicted, yes really - since 2011.
Not sure if figures are readily available for before then but I can’t imagine it being better. So, yes rape away, there’s an absolutely excellent chance you’ll get away with it.

JMSA · 04/04/2023 11:44

Awful Angry

StockPop · 04/04/2023 11:48

I'm outraged that even as a 25 year old he would only have gotten 4-5 years.

Violent rape should always carry a mandatory long sentence.

ColdAsAWitchsTit · 04/04/2023 11:52

It seems that at 16 you're old enough to vote and change gender in Scotland but not old enough to be criminally responsible for raping a child. It's sickening.

quokka5 · 04/04/2023 11:55

Completely wrong, and this is also the sort of thing that leads communities to take the law into their own hands.

quokka5 · 04/04/2023 11:56

Should add that I mean the sentence is wrong. I agree with the OP.

Nanny0gg · 04/04/2023 11:56

Why did it take so long to come to court? That poor girl reliving it all now.

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 04/04/2023 11:57

Who the hell has voted that YABU??

Andante57 · 04/04/2023 12:00

Will he have to do any community service? I mean if he refuses can he be made to do it?

CatchYouOnTheFlippetyFlop · 04/04/2023 12:00

Absolutely fucking disgraceful.

Following on from a thread the other day, rape is basically legal now.

Bit of community service, job done. Fuck the victim.

Makes me want to cry.

user567543 · 04/04/2023 12:02

Yeah honestly she must be wondering why she bothered - community service and sex register for 3 years after a harrowing ordeal and a 4 year wait for a court case. And they wonder why people don’t report rapes. If you know if they were u25 and they might get community service…

TheFireflies · 04/04/2023 12:05

I couldn’t be angrier or more disgusted with this. Just repulsive. Beyond that, in fact - there’s no words. That poor, poor girl.

Antiquiteas · 04/04/2023 12:12

This is absolutely horrifying. I hope someone beats the smug smile of the rapist’s face.

There was considerably more pity for the life of a rapist than there was for the life of the vulnerable girl he raped in a park.

I am so sick of it.

Northernsouloldies · 04/04/2023 12:42

It was his first offence wtaf, that's not a defence. This case needs reviewed for leniency and a prison sentence put in place. Community order is a joke. Smug little bastard should be in jail.

buckeejit · 04/04/2023 13:33

Disgusting all round ffs

TheFireflies · 04/04/2023 15:45

Northernsouloldies · 04/04/2023 12:42

It was his first offence wtaf, that's not a defence. This case needs reviewed for leniency and a prison sentence put in place. Community order is a joke. Smug little bastard should be in jail.

First offence, but he raped her more than once on more than one occasion.

I really hope this pathetic sentence changes things but I’m not going to hold out much hope, we really are second class citizens.

Biker47 · 04/04/2023 16:09

"Progressive" Scotland for you, the one where they think 16 year olds are old enough and mature enough to vote and decide their gender, but aren't responsible enough for their crimes and actions until they're 25, utter lunacy.

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