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To think 8hrs of study a day is unnecessary

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sillistudi · 01/04/2023 08:28

School newsletter says year 13s study for forthcoming a-levels should be aiming for 8 hours of study a day over the Easter holidays. Really???! Seems excessive to me! My DC are a couple years off a-levels but I can't see how that is necessary... so I'm interested, those with dc at that stage or just through it, is that level of study really needed?

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Mirabai · 01/04/2023 15:23

I think I did 9-9 with a break for lunch.

BethDuttonsTwin · 01/04/2023 15:25

My child’s school have said every day in the holidays should be treated schedule wise, as a school day and revision should be happening as though they were at school learning - so starting at 8.30/9 am revising all day with usual morning and lunch breaks, finish at 15.30. I think it’s completely ludicrous tbh.

BethDuttonsTwin · 01/04/2023 15:27

That’s for GCSEs btw. Not A-levels.

EmilyGilmoresSass · 01/04/2023 15:28

Given about 30 hours of home study a week is a suggestion for many uni courses, alongside on campus lectures etc., I'd have thought it's maybe to get them used to it in the transition to possible uni?

BethDuttonsTwin · 01/04/2023 15:29

greyskywhichcolour · 01/04/2023 13:49

Mine did more than that all the way through study leave. At least 10 hours, with good breaks, six days a week, day 7 was the party day. Was very motivated to get best possible results, and got four A stars in STEM subjects. Was worth it for him, he was very measured and organised, enjoyed the study process, and was very mindful of exercise and good nutrition throughout. We were in a position to provide a lot of support, both practical and emotional, and I was present in the home for the duration. Wouldn't work for everyone, but child was happy and fulfilled, now adult and working in a busy and rewarding post.

Without a doubt, the smuggest post I have ever read on this forum 😁

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 01/04/2023 15:30

All the people saying that it's the same as a full time job are missing the point. They do full days when they are in school, with homework etc factored in. This is supposed to be a holiday. Even people in work take annual leave sometimes.

If you work for too long without taking proper breaks, the chances are that your productivity will dip. It's good for them to have a break.

Mirabai · 01/04/2023 15:31

Babdoc · 01/04/2023 15:22

I didn’t do anything like that amount of revision, and still got into medical school.
If one has been paying attention in classes and has a good memory, it really doesn’t take 8 hours a day to rub it up for the exams. Further, our chemistry paper in those days was based on chemicals we hadn’t studied, to see if we could apply principles, followed by a practical, so revision would have been of limited use.

Science A levels don’t need so much revision though, and the answers are either right or wrong. Many of my friends did science A levels (and are now medics) and their workload at school was considerably less generally. I always liked maths because you don’t really need to revise for it.

Mirabai · 01/04/2023 15:37

Mirabai · 01/04/2023 15:31

Science A levels don’t need so much revision though, and the answers are either right or wrong. Many of my friends did science A levels (and are now medics) and their workload at school was considerably less generally. I always liked maths because you don’t really need to revise for it.

Saying that - at uni, a guy in my college who came top of the year in his STEM subject did nothing but work all day and all evening, including holidays (for which he stayed at uni). He’s now a professor for obvious reasons.

FrenchandSaunders · 01/04/2023 15:43

@BethDuttonsTwin 🤣🤣

TooManyCoasters · 01/04/2023 16:10

Lemonsole · 01/04/2023 09:26

A-level students need to use this last chance that they will have for a break before their exams start. They'll not take one in May half term, as that will be the last week before the final three-four weeks of exams. But they cannot be expected to go from Feb half term through until the end of June without a break, and be at their peak performance when it counts.
I have told my students (I'm an A-level teacher) and DS that they will be taking a three-four day break now, and then return to their books in the second week.
There are more students who are exhausted from Plan B mocks, more Covid, coursework and overwork, than there are who genuinely need to do a fortnight of 8-hour days.
I get really cross when messages aren't targeted those who need to hear them: blanket instructions like this will be water off the backs of the gaming addicts, but over-absorbed by those who are already doing enough.

Great post from a teacher. It fits with my view as a parent (and I have had kids who have done extremely well without a rigid stipulated number of hours of A Level revision).

L3ThirtySeven · 01/04/2023 16:15

BethDuttonsTwin · 01/04/2023 15:29

Without a doubt, the smuggest post I have ever read on this forum 😁

Not really. Describes an over-achiever headed for life as a workaholic and burnout.

TooManyCoasters · 01/04/2023 16:18

Lots of people comparing it with a school
day. School days are different. Breaks with friends, active teaching, answering teachers’ questions, PE, assembly etc. Very different to sitting at home studying alone, and a different technique is needed. Also worlds apart from a job, where it is unlikely you spend your time memorising facts, writing essays and doing practice papers.

For some people ten hours straight will work. For other kids, six hours with regular breaks is needed. Some may need a full day off to recharge. It’s silly to give blanket goals.

My daughter was repeatedly told by her teachers not to work too hard and to shut her books by 1900 as she had a tendency to worry and do too much. An individualised approach to advice from teachers who know the kids seems far more sensible.

Mirabai · 01/04/2023 16:18

L3ThirtySeven · 01/04/2023 16:15

Not really. Describes an over-achiever headed for life as a workaholic and burnout.

In reality many hard workers don’t end up as either workaholics or burned out. They just end up in fulfilling careers.

donttellmehesalive · 01/04/2023 16:18

Whatever school recommends, they'll do half of that.

School recommend 8 in the hope that kids do 4. I think that's about right tbh in the run up to important exams, with a couple of days off each week.

Mirabai · 01/04/2023 16:20

donttellmehesalive · 01/04/2023 16:18

Whatever school recommends, they'll do half of that.

School recommend 8 in the hope that kids do 4. I think that's about right tbh in the run up to important exams, with a couple of days off each week.

Depends on the school, some recommend 8 because otherwise students will try to do 12.

Jonei · 01/04/2023 16:22

thatsn0tmyname · 01/04/2023 12:10

Our year 13s have been advised to do this, too.
8 hours sleeping.
8 hours free time.
8 hours studying.
They won't have school or travel to school so is more manageable.

That sounds more than reasonable.

Jonei · 01/04/2023 16:23

Mirabai · 01/04/2023 16:18

In reality many hard workers don’t end up as either workaholics or burned out. They just end up in fulfilling careers.

This.

Typicalof · 01/04/2023 16:23

Youngest dsis does that. Around two hours per subject.

CalloohCallayFrabjousDay · 01/04/2023 16:26

Nimbostratus100 · 01/04/2023 08:47

sounds about right, revision should be full time by this stage

As someone who has never needed to to revision I don't understand this...

If they don't know the subject well enough already, this close before the exam, what's the point of revising full-time? Surely that means that the teacher has failed to do their job?

Cel77 · 01/04/2023 16:27

sillistudi · 01/04/2023 08:28

School newsletter says year 13s study for forthcoming a-levels should be aiming for 8 hours of study a day over the Easter holidays. Really???! Seems excessive to me! My DC are a couple years off a-levels but I can't see how that is necessary... so I'm interested, those with dc at that stage or just through it, is that level of study really needed?

I used to study for 7 to 8 h everyday in the period leading to my A-Levels as I was a very anxious student and wanted to do very well. I did but it cost me.

Cel77 · 01/04/2023 16:29

CalloohCallayFrabjousDay · 01/04/2023 16:26

As someone who has never needed to to revision I don't understand this...

If they don't know the subject well enough already, this close before the exam, what's the point of revising full-time? Surely that means that the teacher has failed to do their job?

How is that the teacher's fault? At this level, a lot is down to how much the student is willing to read /research in their own time. The teacher is guiding them but can't control how much a student's input will be!

L3ThirtySeven · 01/04/2023 16:30

Jonei · 01/04/2023 16:23

This.

There is hard working, and there is work addiction. You were just bragging about your child working 10hrs a day for 6 days a week from age 16 for A levels- 60hr weeks. No one can keep up that kind of work schedule for fifty years without burning out. They may be ‘busy and fulfilled’ now, but give it a decade or two. It’s not the kind of work-life balance that gets you a good family life or keeps you physically healthy long term.

Mirabai · 01/04/2023 16:32

CalloohCallayFrabjousDay · 01/04/2023 16:26

As someone who has never needed to to revision I don't understand this...

If they don't know the subject well enough already, this close before the exam, what's the point of revising full-time? Surely that means that the teacher has failed to do their job?

It’s f all to do with the teacher. They’re not in charge of individual students’ study.

Bigbadmama · 01/04/2023 16:34

Boys in particular are bad at revising, leave it all until the last minute and then when they get Mock results it gives them the motivation to put some real effort in. Just make sure they get food, sleep and some fresh air and exercise at least once a day and that most of the time they are revising, not gaming or chatting to their friends online.

I work in school, I know.

L3ThirtySeven · 01/04/2023 16:34

Mirabai · 01/04/2023 16:18

In reality many hard workers don’t end up as either workaholics or burned out. They just end up in fulfilling careers.

Or in an early grave…
”The World Health Organisation, together with the International Labour Organisation, estimates nearly 400,000 people died from stroke and nearly 350,000 from heart disease in 2016 as a result of working 55 hours or more per week, and that, between 2000 and 2016, the number of deaths from heart disease due to working long hours increased by 42%, and from stroke by 19%.”

Keep in mind, the poster was saying her child works “at least 10hrs a day” six a week. That’s a minimum of 60hrs per week.

Long working hours increasing deaths from heart disease and stroke: WHO, ILO

Long working hours led to 745 000 deaths from stroke and ischemic heart disease in 2016, a 29 per cent increase since 2000, according to the latest estimates by the World Health Organization and the International Labour Organization published in Enviro...

https://www.who.int/news/item/17-05-2021-long-working-hours-increasing-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-stroke-who-ilo

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