Aibu to think Guy Pearse apologised & deleted his tweets regards Transgender Actors?

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https://m.independent.ie/entertainment/movies/movie-news/guy-pearce-issues-apology-after-tweets-about-cisgender-actors-playing-trans-roles-i-have-a-full-house-of-privilege-42408950.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=seeding

Whataboutery?

Hmm, I think trans actors should play trans roles because otherwise it buys into the "you would never know they weren't a woman from birth" ideology. Well if the actor is a female playing a trans woman then yes, they do look convincing as a woman, and same with a male playing a trans man.

Don't think your AIBU is clear. I'm sure most people agree with you and Guy. The whole thing is ridiculous 🙄

@sst1234 so anyone who disagrees with you is a troll ?
Doesn't bode well for free speech ..

Do agree with this actually. There's been some real skillful camera action in a couple of shows I've watched trying to make the TW for example look more woman sized than they are. As it's a glaring difference when you see them irl

@sst1234 Your language is as hyperbolic and incendiary as that of the TRAs you despise. And I say that as someone who is GC.

yep & many many more to come! Women are not standing for their rights & women only spaces bring violated by men any longer. @Michaelschenkersguitar enjoy all the threads! And yes free speech is exactly what Guy Pierce did & he upset the she-men!

Oohhh incendiary. Won’t someone think of the TRAs, please?

Sorry aibu that he apologised..

@Moonmelodies
"OK for a black person to play a Chinese person, with make-up?"

No, just like it's not okay for a man with a bit of make up to play a woman.

Agreed. Gender ideologists pick and choose which other movements' points they find useful. In this case they are trying to piggyback on actors of colour objecting to white actors being made up to look like someone of a different ethnicity instead of employing an actor who actually is of that ethnicity, where the ethnicity is relevant, e.g. playing Othello. See also actors with a disability. I can see it's tricky but there are times when acting ability and box office appeal is going to be the main factor in casting, given the amounts of money involved.

Good point. I don't watch Coronation Street so was shocked to learn that their transwoman character was played by a woman. No wonder so many people are confused about this issue.

Yep you would think

@sst1234 you think calling a set of people a menace is reasoned debate 😂

They were given an inch and they want MORE MORE MORE.

nothing is ever enough for the trans brigade.

I refuse to concede anything now. No pronouns, no AGPs, no males in women’s spaces EVER, no calling them TW - they’re Trans Identifying Males. no NOTHING

Aww, who made you open it? 🥺

@Michaelschenkersguitar I agree with you menace is a very mild word for this group of womenphobic women haters. I can think of much worse to call them does that make me a TERF as those women haters call us🤔

I've never understood the logic of people whose only contributions to a thread are to complain about the existence of said threads. If the premise of a thread is not to your taste, find threads that are so you can post constructively.

I am fully in agreement that the apology / retraction was not necessary and the power that the TRA have is insane.

However, and I'm thinking out loud here... there are physical characteristics of trans people that would be pretty hard to 'special effect'. You wouldn't use extreme make up etc to turn a female actor into a male character unless it was part of the story.

So eg the voice of a transman or transwoman that's been altered by hormones is quite a distinctive timbre.

Actually I am struggling to come up with any other examples! Facial hair on transmen is easily fixed with effects, boobs on transwomen ditto.

But ultimately they would need to use actors who were the same sex as the 'birth Sex of the character otherwise it would get insanely confusing trying to work out what's going on!

I think I've just talked myself out of that argument!!

Where the sex of the character is relevant - and if a character is trans then their sex is relevant - the actor should be of that sex. Their personal beliefs or philosophy are irrelevant.

But then they need not apply for women's roles based on that opinion. Regardless of how many millions they could spend they will still look completely masculine

Whilst generally I agree that actors should act, or 'pretend' (thank you Sir Ian) there are occasions when the part would require authenticity.
I think that the male actors in Priscilla Queen of the desert are fine as they are - drag artists are in the main, men.
But the trans character - for example - in Heartstopper (Netflix show I think) is played by a trans actor and that adds a dimension of veracity to the show.
I guess the argument is that a (pardon my use of cis) cis actor can play either cis or trans roles but a trans actor has fewer opportunities, so they are disadvantaged by having to compete for fewer roles to start with against other actors who have more potential roles open to them.
You might say that the roles are open to the best actors but to some extent I have sympathy with the argument to say that inclusion means acknowledging that not everyone is starting from the same place. Therefore adjustments are needed to allow equality of opportunity.

Exactly, I read it as I "I'll remove this is if offends but I don't disagree with what I said" kind of action which is probably the sensible choice.

I guess the argument is that a (pardon my use of cis) cis actor can play either cis or trans roles but a trans actor has fewer opportunities, so they are disadvantaged by having to compete for fewer roles to start with against other actors who have more potential roles open to them.

That's nonsense. By your reasoning trans actors can only play trans characters. Trans actors can play people of the same sex as them, just as Muslim actors can play atheist characters and wealthy actors can play poor people.

It's called acting.