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To think today’s article about Auriol Grey paint a very different picture

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HibiscusBlues · 26/03/2023 18:56

I was sad to see articles today about the woman jailed for the death of a cyclist. At the time of the offence she was living in a home for the disabled. If this is the case my experience is places like that aren’t easily available.
Shes partially blind, has balance problems and cognitive difficulties after a birth injury to the brain. She’s had related brain surgery.
If this is the case, as her family’s appeal stated, then there does seem a disconnect with the judge saying no difficulties that impacted her actions. Accessing supported living yet being deemed able-bodied and cognitively normal by a court.
Obviously the incident was horrendous for the Ward family, and the cyclist need not deserve to die. It’s a sad case. However the handling of the case is starting to sound uncomfortable. What have others thought of the articles today?

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MsJD · 26/03/2023 20:08

The cyclist was a frail 78-year-old.

AlwaysGinPlease · 26/03/2023 20:10

@jobadoo 🙄 well the Judge didn't think she was innocent. Save your sympathy for the real victim and the driver.

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 26/03/2023 20:11

But cyclists are judged as less vulnerable than pedestrians.

MsJD · 26/03/2023 20:12

She was a 78-year-old retired midwife, not Laura Kenney

holachicas · 26/03/2023 20:12

@AlwaysGinPlease
the video ends as the cyclist falls into the road. AG is some distance from her the entire time…

SunshineGeorgie · 26/03/2023 20:12

GrasstrackGirl · 26/03/2023 19:45

I don't understand why there's so many people defending her, she admitted to touching the cyclist in court.

Yes I thought she admitted it too

The apologists here ( just because she's disabled) seem to think she should be given a free pass

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 26/03/2023 20:13

AlwaysGinPlease · 26/03/2023 20:10

@jobadoo 🙄 well the Judge didn't think she was innocent. Save your sympathy for the real victim and the driver.

Appeals are often successful- judges are human, I don't think questioning judgements is inherently bad.

SunshineGeorgie · 26/03/2023 20:14

GrasstrackGirl · 26/03/2023 19:49

Oh yes, I forgot that she lied to the police until they told her that she'd been recorded on CCTV.

Caught her out....daft mate!

EarringsandLipstick · 26/03/2023 20:14

She admitted to contact. She pushed her to her death

She agreed there might have been minor contact / brushing off the victim. She didn't admit (afaik) nor does the video show, that she pushed the victim.

Her behaviour was wrong. But her degree of culpability was greatly different to someone without disabilities.

SunshineGeorgie · 26/03/2023 20:14

*mare!!

GrasstrackGirl · 26/03/2023 20:15

holachicas · 26/03/2023 20:12

@AlwaysGinPlease
the video ends as the cyclist falls into the road. AG is some distance from her the entire time…

No she wasn't, she was right next to the cyclist.

clairelouwho · 26/03/2023 20:15

MrsMorton · 26/03/2023 19:02

Wobble your head will you?

Cyclists should not be making pedestrians feel unsafe. Neurotypical or not.

Yet it was the cyclist who was killed. Wobble your own head, will you?

holachicas · 26/03/2023 20:15

The intent isn’t being looked at either…what was the intention?

From the evidence we’ve seen, there was no intention to injure the cyclist. The intention was to get the cyclist off the pavement/out of the way so AG could pass.

It’s a tragic accident with a horrific outcome. This finger pointing/blame culture is dangerous.

SunshineGeorgie · 26/03/2023 20:15

jobadoo · 26/03/2023 19:55

A tragic accident. Nothing more. What followed was a complete waste of public funds by the prosecution and trial.

The video clearly showed AG did not touch the cyclist.

So an appeal would be a waste of funds also

jobadoo · 26/03/2023 20:16

the video shows AG walking a fair distance before swearing and gesturing.

Given her size she was occupying almost the entire pavement and showing no sign of stopping as she was approaching the cyclist. If you were the cyclist seeing a pedestrian who due to her size has to take up space of most of pavement, and she was not stopping to give way, then you should have stopped to give way.

GrasstrackGirl · 26/03/2023 20:16

holachicas · 26/03/2023 20:15

The intent isn’t being looked at either…what was the intention?

From the evidence we’ve seen, there was no intention to injure the cyclist. The intention was to get the cyclist off the pavement/out of the way so AG could pass.

It’s a tragic accident with a horrific outcome. This finger pointing/blame culture is dangerous.

That's why she's in prison for manslaughter not murder.

tirednewmumm · 26/03/2023 20:16

holachicas · 26/03/2023 19:41

@Cakeykid
she didn’t touch her…pushing involves physical contact

The lady herself said in court she did make
Contact!

EarringsandLipstick · 26/03/2023 20:16

Cakeykid · 26/03/2023 19:55

It's fact that she acted aggressively, swore, caused the poor victim to die, she also lied, she even went shopping afterwards! She deserves prison and there's no excuse whatsoever for her awful behaviour. The justice system deemed her guilty thank goodness.

She went shopping after waiting initially, before being moved by a 3rd party.

Her cognitive impairment means she does not respond emotionally as others might. (See her reaction to her sister's early death).

EarringsandLipstick · 26/03/2023 20:18

Especially if it was a shared pavement then sadly I think she was in the wrong.
That's the problem though - it was unable to be proved it was a shared pavement; it was insufficient width for usual shared pavements and there were no markings indicating it was.

clairelouwho · 26/03/2023 20:18

Snorlaxing · 26/03/2023 19:05

One of the big questions about this case that hasn't been verified is if the pavement is a shared one or not. I've seen reports saying both.

There's definitely some confusion about this.

There's a Youtube channel called BlackBeltBarrister who discusses this case and why she was prosecuted. From what he's found out, there does appear to be signage in the area that suggests it's a shared pavement for pedestrians and cyclists.

There doesn't appear to be much in the way of consensus as to whether or not it is a shared path, though. Hopefully it's something that gets reviewed in future and made clear.

Tietheapron · 26/03/2023 20:18

Cambridgeshire generally is used to and welcomes bikes. Someone cycling on a pavement is neither here nor there really.

I’m normally very liberal, but her actions led directly to a death.

GrasstrackGirl · 26/03/2023 20:19

At the end of the day AG's defenders need to make up their minds.

If they believe that she is so vulnerable then she needs to be placed in a residential home upon her release.

If she doesn't need a residential home because she's not vulnerable then why doesn't she deserve to be in prison?

holachicas · 26/03/2023 20:19

@GrasstrackGirl
manslaughter is still too harsh IMO.

Manslaughter is more typically seen when a person hits someone and the victims dies. They’d intended to hurt them, not kill them.

AG didn’t want to harm the cyclist, she just wanted her out of the way.

Tietheapron · 26/03/2023 20:21

Oh, she wanted to harm her. She wanted to intimidate and scare her and I don’t think in the moment she cared whether she was harmed or not as a result.

Angry people do behave like this sometimes: they walk around lashing out verbally and sometimes physically. It’s really sad, but you know, they can’t.

EarringsandLipstick · 26/03/2023 20:21

The apologists here ( just because she's disabled) seem to think she should be given a free pass

No, the people who have recognition that someone with disabilities may have less culpability than someone without consider she shouldn't jailed but given an alternative sentence, that's not custodial - that's not a 'free pass'

Imagine being so lacking in empathy.

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