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AIBU to wonder what on earth the government is doing with our money?

103 replies

Lapland123 · 23/03/2023 16:04

So we have higher taxes than ever

yet we have all public services at an all time low, with everyone involved striking due to poor pay, which is causing a vicious circle in terms of recruitment of new staff and retention of existing staff

Teachers, firefighters, criminal law barristers, doctors, nurses, university staff etc all striking

What on earth has the government done with all the money we give them?

Aside from the blatant theft such as the PPE scandal, how are they draining the taxpayers money?

Because the one thing we are sure is that it isn’t reaching the workers delivering public services we all need.

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Cavies · 24/03/2023 10:58

I should say income tax as obviously anyone who buys anything pays tax.

LittleFingerStrength · 24/03/2023 11:00

TheInterceptor · 23/03/2023 17:17

Paying a lot of people not to work for two covid years cost quite a lot. It needs repaying.

Furlough!

Poor boundaries!

QUEER ideology wasting money on training and changing back and forth of provisikns like toilets and waste of time court cases on the irrational luxury beliefs of 20% of the vocal forceful woke population.

After all the follow the science during lockdown it's abandoned for a 20 year old who who obtained an honourary theology degree not a science degree for her stance on issuss like men being women and her other ideas on science as a child.

Over concern with the borders of other countries and not our own.

beguilingeyes · 24/03/2023 11:01

inky1991 · 23/03/2023 18:16

This. The people that wanted harder and faster lockdowns (including Labour) forget that would only have made us deeper in the shit financially.

I get so angry at the cost of lockdowns

If we'd locked down earlier it would have been shorter. Bojo kept dithering because he wants to be popular (see 'saving Christmas' every year.

Mum23amazingkids · 24/03/2023 11:04

If only we had the courage the French have and went to the streets !

beguilingeyes · 24/03/2023 11:04

MaryMcCarthy · 24/03/2023 10:35

Did you know France spent more than us on furlough?

Their GDP didn't drop like ours did. Their inflation didn't fly up as far as ours.

What have they done right that we didn't?

Stayed in the EU?

SheilaWilcox · 24/03/2023 11:07

ILikePizzas · 24/03/2023 10:54

An awful lot of money seems to get spent on the fact that so many seem to be unable to sort their own lives out/don't see why they should.

Benefits, social services because people won't raise their kids, courts because people can't sort out their own relationships, CMS because people won't pay for their kids. Special attention and schemes for this, that and the other. It's endless.

I just go to work, pay my bills and quietly live my life. Feels like fewer and fewer do by the day.

This.
A lot of people and organisations don't seem to know the difference between NEEDS and WANTS.

LittleFingerStrength · 24/03/2023 11:07

MintJulia · 24/03/2023 10:44

If those old people paid their NI as per the government contract at the time, then they are entitled to their pensions.

Ageism won't change that. My dm had a pension from my df that I will never equal, but they both fought a world war, and dm was required to give up her job when she married. She wasn't allowed to attend university. Her ability to provide for herself was intentionally restricted.

I have no right to say she didn't deserve her pension. She lived through a different age.

I know a pensioner who keeps talking about a pot they paid into that is now paying out their state pension. I tell them they paid for others pensions when they worked and there are lots of old people and not many young, there is not big pot sitting around that young people today fund her pension, she can't seem to grasp this and tells me old people aren't a drain on taxation. I don't resent them getting a pension, I would like them to acknowledge the situation, stop being nasty and lie.

Half the NHS funding goes on salaries.

LittleFingerStrength · 24/03/2023 11:16

ILikePizzas · 24/03/2023 10:54

An awful lot of money seems to get spent on the fact that so many seem to be unable to sort their own lives out/don't see why they should.

Benefits, social services because people won't raise their kids, courts because people can't sort out their own relationships, CMS because people won't pay for their kids. Special attention and schemes for this, that and the other. It's endless.

I just go to work, pay my bills and quietly live my life. Feels like fewer and fewer do by the day.

I suggest people tell this to those who refuse to pay Child maintenance and others enabling it.

The people who can't sort their own relationships out be they an employer or abusive patent (financial abusers who dknt pay child maintenance to violent ones, are likely personality disordered.

Mental health seem to be inept and I don't see them fix anyone. Prince Hrry has the best access to Mental health care and seems worse than ever. The NHS is gaslighting everyone with Annexe B and telling us all men are women, then making permanent pre pubessant bodies, they don't seem to be very competent, just a job creation scheme for a cult funded ny the taxpayers with anti science, anti safeguarding, irrational luxury beliefs.

beguilingeyes · 24/03/2023 11:25

I firmly believe that essential services (transport/water/gas/electricity/telecoms) should be publicly owned. As soon as you bring profit into it companies are more concerned with their shareholders than their customers. The water thing makes me crazy.
It was supposed to encourage competition but they seem to all get together and fix prices.
If Keir Starmer had any balls he would re-nationalise utilities. We are being fleeced for profits.
It's insane to me that my electricity company is French and local trains are owned by the Dutch. Not so much taking back control as giving it away.
We have voted to make ourselves poorer.

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/uk-households-poorer-than-french-and-german-equivalents/

Average UK households £8,800 poorer than French and German equivalents

The average UK household is £8,800 poorer than its equivalent in five comparable countries, research has found.

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/uk-households-poorer-than-french-and-german-equivalents

Blossomtoes · 24/03/2023 11:29

Plus, a lot of people work in the public sector. I am not badly paid at all and pay about, what, 6 or 7k a year in tax? So you need several of me to pay for one nurse or one teacher.

You do know that public sector workers pay tax too? Considerably more than you in some cases.

jannier · 24/03/2023 11:37

Lapland123 · 23/03/2023 16:04

So we have higher taxes than ever

yet we have all public services at an all time low, with everyone involved striking due to poor pay, which is causing a vicious circle in terms of recruitment of new staff and retention of existing staff

Teachers, firefighters, criminal law barristers, doctors, nurses, university staff etc all striking

What on earth has the government done with all the money we give them?

Aside from the blatant theft such as the PPE scandal, how are they draining the taxpayers money?

Because the one thing we are sure is that it isn’t reaching the workers delivering public services we all need.

Did you think the Covid payments letting people stay home not working were going to be free from some magic money pot?

ILikePizzas · 24/03/2023 13:04

There's a thread about Bereavement Allowance. Apparently, if someone dies you get a load of free money to, I don't know, make yourself feel a bit better.

MarshaBradyo · 24/03/2023 13:07

Jaxhog · 24/03/2023 10:49

The public sector has grown significantly over the past few years. You may not think they get paid enough, but there's a whole lot more of them to pay than there used to be. More and more people are getting additional help too e.g. energy bills etc. I'm not saying this is wrong, but it has to be paid for somehow.

It is the private sector that is creating the 'wealth' to pay for this. Without the wealth-generating part of the economy, there would be no money for any public sector spending. And the incentive for the private sector to create wealth is to get some of that wealth for themselves.

Well said

Tutulechapeau · 24/03/2023 13:30

Well yes@Jaxhog and creating a whole new level of bureaucracy because of brexit didn't help.

namechange3394 · 24/03/2023 14:08

Blossomtoes · 24/03/2023 11:29

Plus, a lot of people work in the public sector. I am not badly paid at all and pay about, what, 6 or 7k a year in tax? So you need several of me to pay for one nurse or one teacher.

You do know that public sector workers pay tax too? Considerably more than you in some cases.

Yes, I do know that public sector workers pay tax too funnily enough; I work in the public sector.

And you've totally missed my point.

namechange3394 · 24/03/2023 14:10

namechange3394 · 24/03/2023 14:08

Yes, I do know that public sector workers pay tax too funnily enough; I work in the public sector.

And you've totally missed my point.

Although it's also worth pointing out that the income tax they pay is effectively the government paying itself the same money, given their gross salaries come out of government budgets...

Cabdiraxman · 24/03/2023 14:43

I think the main criticism of the tax rise is that the additional taxes are being used to fund social care for the elderly. So, oversimplifying a bit:

The main complaint of elderly people is that they shouldn’t have to pay the full cost of their own care because that means that they might have to sell their houses which would leave them with no property to pass to their children. So you can see why some younger people are upset at why they should have to pay higher taxes so that older Middle Class people can pass a larger inheritance to their children.

Blossomtoes · 24/03/2023 15:17

Cabdiraxman · 24/03/2023 14:43

I think the main criticism of the tax rise is that the additional taxes are being used to fund social care for the elderly. So, oversimplifying a bit:

The main complaint of elderly people is that they shouldn’t have to pay the full cost of their own care because that means that they might have to sell their houses which would leave them with no property to pass to their children. So you can see why some younger people are upset at why they should have to pay higher taxes so that older Middle Class people can pass a larger inheritance to their children.

It’s not a complaint among people I know. My parents both went into residential care and their next door neighbour said what a pity it was that everything they worked for would be used to pay for their care. My crisp and breezy response was that they saved for a rainy day which had arrived and it was time to put the umbrella up.

If either of us need residential care and the house has to be sold, that’s fine. Our kids will do very well with or without an inheritance. The beauty of self funding is choice, you don’t have to end your days in whatever shithole social services deems appropriate.

I’m happy to pay higher taxes to fund decent universal healthcare and education and other public services. I’m furious that our hard earned money is being given to the government’s mates and funding a charlatan ex PM’s legal defence to save his skin.

wigywhoo · 24/03/2023 16:37

Furlough
Defending Democracy in Ukraine
Energy help

I'm addition to many things mentioned

L3ThirtySeven · 24/03/2023 16:53

What on earth has the government done with all the money we give them?

The government has £40bn a year less money than they would have had if Brexit had not happened (measuring from 2020 as that was end of transition when Brexit actually hit). The reports all show tax receipts as a function of % of GDP to obfuscate this drastic drop in government money as Brexit, but mostly the pandemic, caused our economy to contract and GDP to dramatically drop.

Greenfairydust · 24/03/2023 17:14
  • Boris Johnson's legal bills
  • bonkers schemes like the Rwanda asylum ''processing'' centre
  • pay rises for MPs
  • pensions, subsided lunches, transport and housing for MPs and ministers
  • track and trace fiasco and Dido Harding's salary
  • furlough fraud.

Beyond that I have no idea where the money has gone/goes as the country is a complete mess.

LongtallStory · 24/03/2023 17:34

£ spent supporting Ukraine. Wars are expensive.

Echobelly · 24/03/2023 18:36

Wasting it on totally the wrong problems.

Combatting immigration: we need more immigrants not fewer! We have an ageing population and it can't be supported without immigration.

Punishing people for being on benefits: punitive, unsupportive benefit systems that treat everyone as a lazy, lying scumbag cost a lot in terms of desitution and poor mental and physical health, and don't help anyone get work. I mean, it's literally been shown by research a few years ago that government support to find a job achieves less than no intervention at all.

And so on.

LakieLady · 24/03/2023 18:48

Reluctantadult · 23/03/2023 16:52

I would like to see a report that broke down what they spend on different sectors. And maybe even some options for the future. I said this before on here and someone asked if I was joking... I'm a bit confused whether the joke was it existing and me not knowing, or that they'd ever produce such a thing,!

Do you mean something like this @Reluctantadult ?

Government spending pie chart

UK Spending Pie Chart in 2023 - Charts

https://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_total_spending_pie_chart

CocoFifi · 24/03/2023 18:54

Paying off massive debt due to the borrowing of the previous government and this one and paying for missiles, for a war that has nothing to do with us and is a war between the USA and Russia, in all but name

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