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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Can a volatile relationship ever change?

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Daffydaff · 21/03/2023 14:03

Inspired by another thread, I'd love opinions on my relationship. I'm aware this is AIBU but am feeling robust enough to take any inevitable criticism on the chin.

This is potentially very outing too so I'll try to be detailed enough whilst also being vague, bear with me!

My partner and I only met a few times before I found out I was pregnant. Yes yes, irresponsible I know, no judgement required. I decided to keep the child, despite us not having a solid relationship at that time, giving a few options to him, e.g. I'd go it alone, or we could co-parent, or else we could make a go at creating a family unit.

We chose this last option, but it has been hard. I mean really hard. We are not naturally compatible, and there are traits in him that I would not choose in a partner usually, both superficial (e.g. I am a deep thinker and love a debate, he really only gets animated about cars) as well as substantial (e.g. I feel he doesn't really listen to me). I'm not faultless (I can be chaotic, demanding, and over sensitive when I’m tired) and he also brings out some bad behaviour in me too when we argue (which I’ll come on to in a bit). Nevertheless, three years later and we now have a second child, are planning a life together, and are consistently working at strengthening 'us'. He’s a great father, a good man, and is evolving (as I am) into a good and thoughtful partner - we had both been the ‘eternal bachelor’ type before, so we have been learning how to live with someone else let alone how to parent!

I guess my issue is that as we work at our relationship we argue a lot, and badly. It often follows a pattern - he takes out his bad mood on me, I defend myself, and it escalates - or else I respond negatively to one of the traits that I dislike. In the past I laid the blame firmly at his feet (I wouldn’t need to argue if I weren’t defending myself!) but I think now that it’s more nuanced, and it’s how we respond to one another that is the issue. I revert to some terrible teenage tantrum style of shouting - it's awful and something I trained myself out of years ago. Indeed, I pride myself on being an effective communicator generally! He on the other hand is passive and sulky when we row. But both of us have done the silent treatment, we have sworn at each other, have said some awful things (in front of our toddler too) and in any other circumstances I would not have stayed around. It has been toxic at times.

However, I think we have hope. We always reflect on our arguments, and are beginning to recognise the triggers - recently we have tried a few techniques to pull us back if it escalates e.g. a code word or leaving the room or a change in tone of voice. He is open to seeing a couples counsellor (albeit a little grudgingly, I think he thinks we're generally fine and can handle this ourselves, whereas I think we need objective support). Our children mean the world to us and we know that we must model good behaviour. I have also been nothing but pregnant and sleep deprived since we met so I'm not even sure if this is the 'real' us if that makes sense.

I guess my AIBU is am I deluding myself? The post I referred to at the start had lots of people saying they never had shouty arguments with their partner. I would usually agree, it's never something I'd ever countenance were it not for our young children and the fact that I don't think we've given our relationship a chance. We haven't even been on a date yet, if you can believe that! (We met during lockdown, and since then I’ve been EBF or pregnant so childcare has been last of my priorities)

I just don't want to give up yet, not until the hormones and fatigue have subsided.

I'll be absolutely clear - if we continue arguing then I will absolutely leave, and we have discussed this. The children come first and I do not want to model this sort of relationship to them, I've had my own share of dysfunctional parental influences to do that to my own. But can a relationship survive this sort of topsy turvy start - children first, then love and respect and longevity - or would anyone suggest it'll end terribly despite the work we're willing to put in?

(I'm not asking what I should do, I have no intention of leaving just yet, just curious as to other experiences and opinions).

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Daffydaff · 21/03/2023 17:25

GlassBunion · 21/03/2023 17:17

You've used the words 'tired,' 'confused' and 'journey.'

A loving relationship shouldn't feel like this.

You embarked on a relationship as you became pregnant quickly. It wasn't a great relationship as you said you both had to work on it, yet you got pregnant again.

What you have described is not a happy, healthy environment for your children yet you're considering moving to his home country?

You really need to think about your children first and foremost.

But I am trying to think of the children. To not grow up without a father. Maybe I have my priorities wrong though and that would be better for them?

The tiredness and confusion are because I've been pregnant and hormonal for the entire relationship, so I just feel a bit foggy about things.

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GlassBunion · 21/03/2023 17:32

OP. Do not move to another country.

Your relationship is fragile as it is.

What if it doesn't work out? What if you become homesick? You will be in a difficult country and you will be feeling vulnerable and so your emotions are going to be even more all over the place.

How will you get home if it doesn't work out? You can't just leave as you'll not be able to just take the children with you.

Daffydaff · 21/03/2023 17:36

fdgdfgdfgdfg · 21/03/2023 16:35

Hi @Daffydaff

I'm one of the people from the other thread, and while I didn't say we never argued, I did say we never shouted at each other.

My relationship also came from quite a similar place as yours. We had a baby very early, however rather than finding out my DP was pregnant a few weeks in, we found out we were having a baby when my DP went into labour 11 months into the relationship. We had no idea she was pregnant (long story that I won't derail this thread with), weren't living together, and the relationship probably wasn't long for this world before my daughter turned up.

Like you, we decided to make a go of it, and 15 years later I can say it was the best decision I ever made. The first few years were very difficult, we were learning how to be in a proper relationship whilst already having a child together. And we argued plenty. But we did it calmly, without shouting at each other, without hurling insults and abuse at each other.

This is what you and your partner need to teach yourself, not to never argue, but to do it calmly. I learnt to do it in my teens. I'm a big bloke, with a very deep voice that sounds intimidating even when I'm just in a bad mood. When I lost my rag as a teen, I fucking terrified people. So I quickly learnt that when I felt that impulse to raise my voice and shout, I needed to shut my mouth. Give it 10 seconds and then make my point, without the volume.

If you and your partner want this to work, you need to learn this skill, and fast. You will be harming your children by having them be party to flaming rows between the two of you. I grew up in that house, and it was hideous. I'd have much preferred my parents split up.

If you can't make this work now, better to split up and co-parent amicably while you still can.

Thanks for this. And 100% agree about teaching ourselves how to argue / communicate better - even if we don't stay together we will always be in each others lives and need to show respect and love to one another regardless.

Ironically I had to do this as a teen, I realised I was taking after my mother who responded to conflict by slamming phones down or walking away, all very childish. I was until recently very good at not raising my voice and talking through issues and never saying things that can't be unsaid - which is why I've been so confused by my current behaviour. I've reverted back to my teenage years. Because of our situation or my partner I can't tell, but I need to work on me just as much as 'us'.

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Daffydaff · 21/03/2023 17:47

To those who say don't move - yes, I understand. I really do. I'm not worried about being homesick, I've lived abroad before and am resilient, but yes the concern is that I'll simply be replicating the uncertainty that we have here. For what it's worth we have spoken about this, the 'what if we don't work out' chat, and I firmly believe that we will work out something that benefits the whole family should that happen. We are getting married, we love each other, and the family - meaning the stability of our children and therefore each others happiness - will come first.

It is possible that I'm looking at this through the lens of my own (lack of) relationship with my dad, who worked abroad all my life. I'm only now seeing the damage this had on me and I just don't want the children to be impacted in the same way. We just need to stop arguing, now.

With couples counselling and realistic communication between us I think it can either work, or else a respectful co -parenting set up created.

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20thCenturyWolf · 21/03/2023 17:48

@Daffydaff I'm another advocate for couple's therapy, though ideally in sync with individual therapy for both of you, if you truly want to make progress.
Unhealthy patterns of behaviour & negative styles of communication are learnt (watching our parents/how we're parented/early romantic relationships), & can be changed - but it takes work. Without truly being able to see what you're each doing, & finding ways of changing that, any success is likely to be fragile.

My Ex & I fought all the time. A Marriage Counsellor was able to highlight major flaws in how we spoke to each other, & importantly, how we listened to each other (or rather, what we decided we'd heard & what we imagined the person would say next - 'mind mapping'!). I'd love to say we lived happily ever after, but he's my Ex for other reason's than our inability to communicate. It did, however, take a lot of anger & misunderstanding out of the equation, & taught us to speak to each other respectfully & with compassion. It would probably be a good idea for us to have some post-divorce sessions, as this hasn't always been upheld! The difference though now is that we know how we should be speaking to each other if we want the best for a situation - without that, things would've been very much harder, & we ended up with a fairly amicable divorce (at the time!)

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