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Emergency alerts to your phone

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TheFirstOfHerName · 19/03/2023 02:27

From April, the government will be able to send emergency alerts to our mobile phones.

www.gov.uk/alerts

A siren will go off, even if your phone is on silent. You won't be able to do anything else on your phone until you turn it off. They plan to test this on 23 April.

I understand the reasons why this can be helpful, and in areas where people need to suddenly evacuate due to wildfires, earthquakes, tornadoes etc it could save lives.

However, personally I don't want it, and have disabled it on my phone.

  1. Of the emergencies I might experience, I'm not sure I'd want to be alerted to any of them via this method. If a flood or storm is imminent, I'll find out through the usual channels. If a nuclear missile is heading my way, having a few minutes' warning will not help.
  1. This system is being run / overseen by the UK government, and my trust in them has been somewhat eroded over the past few years.
  1. I have an anxiety disorder (reasonably well managed with combination of medication and other methods) and I think the cost to my anxiety levels of having my phone suddenly sirenning at me outweighs the negligible probability of this system saving my life.
If you are the kind of calm, resilient person who could have these alarms going off and it not completely throw you, then great.
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Nimbostratus100 · 19/03/2023 19:23

SnackSizeRaisin · 19/03/2023 19:13

Firstly it will induce panic leading to roadrage, traffic jams, looting. Secondly most of these things are only going to affect a small proportion of the UK population due to geography. Thirdly they haven't issued any guidance on what to do if it's a nuclear threat for example. Back to point 1.

well, I am not talking about an international nuclear threat, maybe an airstrike, or terrorist dirty bomb, and the whole point of the text alert is it will tell you what to do

Parker231 · 19/03/2023 19:37

SnackSizeRaisin · 19/03/2023 19:13

Firstly it will induce panic leading to roadrage, traffic jams, looting. Secondly most of these things are only going to affect a small proportion of the UK population due to geography. Thirdly they haven't issued any guidance on what to do if it's a nuclear threat for example. Back to point 1.

Why would there be panic? Other countries manage using a similar system.

ScrubName19 · 19/03/2023 19:56

My first thought was what if you are already involved in a terrorist incident this could cause your phone to give away your position. (Obviously been watching too much crime drama shows).
I overall think it is a good idea but I don't like the idea of it making a noise until you shut it off. I would think 10 sec or so would be OK. My phone alarm went off while I was driving once it was annoying and a lot more distracting (as in it was much harder to concentrate on the road) than I expected even though I knew what it was. However I will leave it on and see what it is like.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 19/03/2023 20:37

Why would there be panic? Other countries manage using a similar system.

Have you forgotten the panic over toilet rolls at the start of Covid? If people panicked about us imagine how they'll react in a real crisis!

JenniferBooth · 19/03/2023 21:08

@EmmaEmerald Found it. Went into Settings via the text message screen and its already switched off.

lieselotte · 19/03/2023 21:12

What a lot of fuss. After the test, I very much doubt most of us will get one of these from one decade to the next (severe floods seem the most likely cause).

BBC says "The messages will include details of the area impacted and instructions about how to respond. They will only be sent where there is an immediate risk to life and many people may not receive an alert for months or years."

lieselotte · 19/03/2023 21:13

I agree if you are driving it will be unnecessarily distracting.

moveoverye · 19/03/2023 21:42

It could really ruin a night at the theatre.

JenniferBooth · 19/03/2023 21:43

Other countries dont have the lack of trust in their Government like we do. Which our Government has brought entirely on themselves.

moveoverye · 19/03/2023 21:45

JenniferBooth · 19/03/2023 21:43

Other countries dont have the lack of trust in their Government like we do. Which our Government has brought entirely on themselves.

We’ll have a new government soon 🤞

FelineUK · 19/03/2023 22:15

CoffeeWithCheese · 19/03/2023 13:43

Pay my phone bill and you can select what my phone gets used for. Until then - I'll disable shit I don't want quite freely. The government have plenty enough ways to get messages out if they need to - I have the radio on in the car, I have the TV news on at home, I have breaking news alerts on on my phone because I've selected that I'm happy to receive those... I don't want to get these, especially not with noises I find physically painful because of other conditions I have - and I want the ability to make the choice.

I can't quite believe how willingly people are to have the government exert control into absolutely every single element of their everyday lives. It's fucking terrifying the level of collective stupidity and begging for everyone to be controlled.

Let's be honest about the more hyperbolic examples thrown here:
Wild fires = a known risk in the centre of town where I live - not. If the conditions are heading in the way where they're likely to become a consideration - the local fire brigades are very effective at getting these messages out and about, plus work tend to send emails about the rural areas of their patch as well
Tsunamis = not really a known issue about as far inland as you can get in the UK... I'm happy to take my chances with this one
Meteors = again, see Tsunamis. Unless they're going to be accompanied by hunky action heros in skin tight white vests and an Aerosmith power ballad... I'll just go take my chances on this one
Pandemics = couldn't fucking avoid Covid shite at the best of times
Oh if it was a missing child and you're evil if you don't want those alerts pushed to your phone = meh, I follow the local police force on social media so get those alerts anyway and quit the ridiculous internet emotional blackmail to try to win your arguments here.
Nuclear apocalypse from above = I'd rather not know thank you very much - I'll take instant vaporisation over surviving with the preppers who would probably mandate clapping and piss me off while we're eating cockroaches.

Bloody well said!!

Parker231 · 19/03/2023 22:27

lieselotte · 19/03/2023 21:12

What a lot of fuss. After the test, I very much doubt most of us will get one of these from one decade to the next (severe floods seem the most likely cause).

BBC says "The messages will include details of the area impacted and instructions about how to respond. They will only be sent where there is an immediate risk to life and many people may not receive an alert for months or years."

So nothing to panic about. If there is a problem, you will get notified - the more information the better. If there isn’t a problem, the alert won’t be sent.

PuddlesPityParty · 19/03/2023 22:38

@CoffeeWithCheese just so you know it’s not using your phone number to send out the alert. It’s using the mass so it’s more like a radio wave - whatever you select or don’t select on your phone bill won’t be relevant so if you don’t want the alert you’ll have to turn it off in settings.

JenniferBooth · 19/03/2023 22:43

Yes the theatre could get interesting.

www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/2005/11/22/richard-griffiths-ejects-cell-phone-user-from-theatre/

NeverDropYourMooncup · 20/03/2023 07:35

JenniferBooth · 19/03/2023 15:49

Ive tried to disable it from my samsung. Apparently its supposed to be under wireless emergency alerts. All i can find is media sounds.

You need to scroll down past those.

Roselilly36 · 20/03/2023 07:44

FixTheBone · 19/03/2023 09:23

Depends on what the threshold for 'emergency' is...

I anticipate constant warnings of 'the UK is screwed' for the next 15-20 years..

Yes 100% agree, think it will be overused, as there now seems to be one crisis/emergency after another. I will disable it, if I can.

tarmum · 20/03/2023 07:48

We experienced it in Greece when severe weather was forecast. Initially a bit alarming as I didn’t know what the noise was - never heard my phone do that! However it did make me wonder why we didn’t have something similar here. Don’t see the problem really so totally support it as long as it’s not over used and people switch it off!

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 20/03/2023 07:55

Roselilly36 · 20/03/2023 07:44

Yes 100% agree, think it will be overused, as there now seems to be one crisis/emergency after another. I will disable it, if I can.

This is the problem. If it really was only going to be used for serious issues it a problem but the government, whichever party that is, won't stick to that.

Kazzyhoward · 20/03/2023 13:05

NumberTheory · 19/03/2023 15:20

I think fires are one of the emergencies this could be a really good system for. Lots of people are remarkably unaware about fires. It can be hard for emergency services to get everyone who needs to be informed, especially at night and in blocks of flats. In urban areas people become inured to sirens and in rural areas it can take a while for the fire brigade to get there, so spread could already significant before people are alerted.

Alarms, judiciously used, that give people accurate information and tell them what to do could be life saving in this situation.

I agree. Some kind of alert system like this would have saved lives at Grenfell Tower. As witnesses said in the public inquiry, part of the reason the fire officers didn't order an evacuation of the building when it was clear the fire service couldn't control it, was the lack of means of telling the residents to evacuate, so evacuation, at least initially, wasn't considered a viable option and control room operators continued to tell residents to stay put! It was only later that control room operators started to tell callers to get themselves out, but they had no resources to call back earlier callers telling them the "stay put" instruction was revoked!

Claralara2010 · 20/03/2023 14:10

My main concern is that it says if you don’t accept the alert you won’t be able to use all of your devices features but nowhere does it tell you, or can I find out, what features I wouldn’t be able to use. I don’t like being forced into things, particularly by the Government. I don’t like anywhere that has wildfires, or flooding, or tornadoes so don’t see the point of it at all.

endoftheworldniteclub · 20/03/2023 14:17

Kazzyhoward · 20/03/2023 13:05

I agree. Some kind of alert system like this would have saved lives at Grenfell Tower. As witnesses said in the public inquiry, part of the reason the fire officers didn't order an evacuation of the building when it was clear the fire service couldn't control it, was the lack of means of telling the residents to evacuate, so evacuation, at least initially, wasn't considered a viable option and control room operators continued to tell residents to stay put! It was only later that control room operators started to tell callers to get themselves out, but they had no resources to call back earlier callers telling them the "stay put" instruction was revoked!

That is a very good example.

isitjustmey · 20/03/2023 14:20

I think it's a good idea and might save lives.

PuddlesPityParty · 20/03/2023 15:13

Claralara2010 · 20/03/2023 14:10

My main concern is that it says if you don’t accept the alert you won’t be able to use all of your devices features but nowhere does it tell you, or can I find out, what features I wouldn’t be able to use. I don’t like being forced into things, particularly by the Government. I don’t like anywhere that has wildfires, or flooding, or tornadoes so don’t see the point of it at all.

It just means you have to press okay when the alert pops up. Like on an iPhone you can’t use your phone if you’ve set an alarm until you press snooze or dismiss.

JenniferBooth · 20/03/2023 15:36

THIS

twitter.com/NorthBritish/status/1637816510314889216?s=20

JenniferBooth · 20/03/2023 20:45

Heard someone say on a news programme earlier "Imagine if Hancock had been in charge of this"

shudders