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AIBU and disloyal to my friend?

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SillySalmonX · 17/03/2023 18:56

This is a ramble and I completely understand that many of you will not have time to read this till the end. Thank you in advance to anyone that can stick with it.

My friend ‘Anna’ is really upset with me and I don’t know what to do.
I’ve known her for a few years now and she befriended me at the kids’ bus stop when no-one else would as I’m introverted and socially awkward.
She brings me out of myself and we both have a weird sense of humour.
She’s been through some awful stuff in her life including marriage breakdown, financial strain and very serious health problems that are ongoing.
Despite facing all that she is an incredibly thoughtful and generous person and fiercely loyal – and expects that loyalty out of her friends.

For a good few months last year a weekly-ish social thing was being at the pub for an hour or two on a Saturday with Anna and my DH and a small group of other friends that are all couples except for Anna, as our DC (including Anna’s) attend a nearby activity.
At one point we ended up chatting to a random other couple that were sat there.
It was Anna that instigated this as she can be very outgoing (on the outside) when she’s had a drink.
The couple, ‘Gemma’ and ‘Steve’, happened to live nearby to me and DH.
Steve and my DH have a common interest (shared also with Steve’s son) and there have ended up being a few social occasions (again at the pub) centred around that interest.
Sometimes just the blokes, sometimes Gemma goes along too (their children are older so they have more freedom than the rest of us) and I’ve been a couple of times.
The summer pub thing fizzled out over the colder months but these other meet-ups, which started very infrequently and have now become a bit more regular since Christmas, continued.
Anna hasn’t been able to come along to these as her health has been awful – she has been virtually house bound for months.

Some other history that’s relevant to this is that towards the end of last summer I managed to get Anna out to a spa day with me for my birthday, and did invite Gemma to that, but she declined (with good reason, nothing sinister).
It had already been a while since Anna and Gemma had seen each other at that point. Last month (i.e. a further 5 months on), Anna’s very close best friend of old who lives further away invited me to join in a surprise show-up at Anna’s house for her birthday, which I went along to and did not invite Gemma.
It would have felt a bit odd to do that since it was organised by Anna’s friend who knows me a little bit but does not know Gemma, and also Anna and Gemma hadn’t by this time seen each other in several months.
With Anna in a poor health state in her home, not knowing anyone was coming round, it would have felt very inappropriate to invite Gemma to that - and at that point it didn’t seem that either of them would have expected Gemma to be there. A few days later I attempted to take Anna out to lunch during my lunch break on her actual birthday – we didn’t get far because her health was so bad that day – I told Gemma about this and she dropped off a card and bottle of wine for me to give to Anna.
More recently I actually managed to make it out to one of the blokes nights that Gemma couldn’t go to, and we all ended up stopping back at our house afterwards for a couple of drinks.
I told Anna about that night and she thought it was great that I’d been out and had a laugh - she didn’t have a problem with that.

Sorry for so much boring detail but it’s all been dragged up now in this mess.
Last weekend we (me and DH) were invited (via Steve, messaging my DH) to Gemma and Steve’s for Gemma’s birthday.
We went and had some drinks and a nice evening.
On Monday Anna asked what we’d been up to at the weekend and I told her we’d been round to Gemma and Steve’s.
Anna said she felt really hurt that Gemma had deliberately excluded her from being invited. She went on to message Gemma directly about it and Gemma sent back some defensive messages, a lot of it centred around the previously mentioned occasions - i.e. a lot of tit for tat type griping.

In her messages to me Anna became more and more upset that I wasn’t angry on her behalf about the situation, i.e. I wouldn’t agree that Gemma was in the wrong to have not invited her.
I feel very certain that Gemma (and Steve really since he was the one that did the actual inviting, although I know it wasn’t a surprise) just wouldn’t have even considered inviting Anna, the same as I wouldn’t have considered forewarning Anna that we were going round there.

But Anna is convinced it was a deliberate act by Gemma to push her out of what she still sees as the ‘pub group’ to exclude her and steal me all for herself (Anna’s actual words) – essentially Gemma doesn’t want Anna on the scene because she is single, and is taking advantage of the fact that she has been out of the social scene from illness.

To try and move away from the awful WhatsApp messages (which I’ve now deleted off my phone to stop myself from raking over them all in tears) where in my opinion I was playing devil’s advocate to try and get Anna to see things from a different perspective, but in her opinion I was refusing to have her back and standing up for Gemma instead, I suggested we meet for coffee on Wednesday lunchtime.

She brought written notes. And read through them whilst referring to screenshots of WhatsApp messages as evidence, all to try and convince me that Gemma is a horrible person. And Steve too. In honesty there may be certain truths in some of her observations about them. Before she got so poorly Anna was studying for a psychology degree so she does always seem really insightful about people.
But she was calling Steve a narcissist and Gemma a covert narcissist because Steve is probably horrible to her, and saying that Gemma is basically able to mould me because I’m a submissive person.
And it’s disgusting that while Anna was the one responsible for getting us all chatting to each other on that first day in the pub, Gemma’s plan now is to push Anna out for good.
I couldn’t really cope very well with the situation in public in my lunch break.
Anna’s way of talking intimidated me as she was quite loud and animated and she got herself really agitated, worked up and crying.
Basically I froze up and hardly spoke at all while she ranted at me, but when I did speak my stance didn’t change – I still wasn’t going to say that Gemma had been in the wrong.
So things ended horribly with Anna saying I’m not the person she thought I was.

Later she told me that on the way home she’d had another health episode and was bed bound with her back completely unable to move.
I felt awful as I hadn’t accompanied her home.

Yesterday she messaged me saying she was gutted that I was sticking up for Gemma and not her.
I said I didn’t want to talk on WhatsApp but could call her or pop round today.
When I’ve tried to do that today she has said she’s not up to it.

I feel like this is only going to resolve itself with Anna if I ‘dump’ Gemma – don’t agree to do anything further as couples and just leave the blokes to do their thing.
That’s the only way to validate to Anna that I ‘agree’ it was wrong for Gemma to have not invited Anna to her birthday.
But I still don’t believe that’s true.
I have tried to imagine what it would feel like the other way around – if I was in Anna’s shoes – and I just don’t think I would have gone off on one like this.

The loyal thing to do here is try to smooth things over with the vulnerable person who I’ve been friends with for longer, even though it will mean sucking up how I actually feel about the situation.
So why don’t I want to?
Am I being unreasonable and disloyal to Anna?

OP posts:
JudgeRudy · 17/03/2023 20:40

You've done nothing wrong. Being at the pub in a group and inviting another couple to your home for a takaway/drinks are 2 very different things. Besides it wasn't your invite. The two new BBFs are your OH and 'Steve'. Its Steves birthday. You are essentially OHs 'plus one'. If hed been dating Anna uou might not have been invited.
Being single does make a difference, as does your gender, whether you have children, drive, can afford tickets, don't do jazz....whatever. How many times has Anna had Gemma round hers? Let alone OHs.
Stand by your opinion. You owe her nothing. Loyalty is very overrated any way.

Itsmyturnnow1 · 17/03/2023 20:49

Wow!
Anna sounds jealous and lonely and actually quite manipulative. I can’t see Gemma did anything wrong.
Anna wants you all to herself and this writing of notes and saving screenshots is weird and childish.
Do not ditch Gemma for Anna, explain to Anna you understand she’s upset but you are friends with everyone and given Anna’s health issues (which without sounding like a bitch are maybe also dramatized hence the bad back after you didn’t walk home with her?) she doesn’t always seem up for stuff so it shouldn’t be an issue if you see Gemma without her!

it sounds utterly exhausting!

2chocolateoranges · 17/03/2023 20:53

Wow, it’s like being back at high school.

you are allowed more than one friend, Anna is being ridiculous.

i think with Anna’s poor health she is feeling vulnerable and feels she is being replaced as such however you can’t stop having other friends. In time she will realise how silly she is being.

CKL987 · 17/03/2023 21:08

Christ almighty, what is wrong with people? I have friends that I've been friends with for years and sometimes they do things without me and it's absolutely bloody fine. I might do things with one or two of them and not the rest of the group and again it is fine.

latetothefisting · 17/03/2023 21:11

Anna sounds incredibly over the top and hard work tbh but I do understand that she's had a hard few months and if she's pretty much housebound perhaps doesn't have much to distract her so small things become huge issues.

I can't see that Gemma has done anything wrong -at this point Anna is someone she used to have a chat with occasionally in the pub but hasn't seen for, what, nearly a year? I'm surprised she went to the effort of getting Anna something for her birthday honestly but like you it seems obvious that she wouldn't have thought to invite Anna to her own birthday.

I would just stay out of it - say once more you want to be friends with her and Gemma, Gemma has no problems with you being friends with Anna so Anna is the only one with any issue. She has to accept you will be keeping in touch with and seeing Gemma fairly regularly and Anna will (particularly now as a result of her tantrum) probably not be invited. If she doesn't accept that then that's her issue not yours, you're not dumping her, she's the one responsible if she loses you as a friend.

TomeTome · 17/03/2023 21:29

I either know Anna or someone shockingly similar.

Luredbyapomegranate · 17/03/2023 21:32

If Anna wasn’t ill I’d run a mile, but since she is I would cut her some slack.

I would say that you love her, she’s your mate, but you cannot personally see anything wrong with Gemma, and you are your own person and you aren’t not going to be pushed into choosing between friends.

You really value her and want to stay friends but no more about Gemma, please.

Then it’s up to her. It’s probably stuck-in-the-house induced paranoia, but she does sound v intense. Doing a psychology degree does not make anyone especially insightful.

Riverlee · 17/03/2023 21:40

What a horrible messy situation. You’ve been stuck in the middle of a situation which should never have occurred.

You’ve done nothing wrong. Friendships develop and evolve. You shouldn’t need to choose between the friendship groups.

As others have said, keep reassuring Anne that you will remain friends with her, but you will also maintain a friendship with Gemma. It’s not up to Anna to decide who you are friends with, and you are not choosing between the two.

Biggiee · 18/03/2023 10:12

I understand why she felt left out not being invited, but does she not see that Gemma wasn't invited to hers? Gemma will have been the original one feeling left out.

WasThereAnotherTroyforHertoBurn · 18/03/2023 10:19

Anna sounds unhinged. TBQH

pimplebum · 18/03/2023 10:42

Anna is losing the plot which can happen with chronic illness and isolation

What stood out to me was her mentioning her increased medical symptoms after her lecturing you in the cafe and your guilt at not escorting her home .

That would have been the sad end of friendship for me

TaunterOfWomenInGeneralSaysSayonarastu · 18/03/2023 11:24

I feel like this is only going to resolve itself with Anna if I ‘dump’ Gemma – don’t agree to do anything further as couples and just leave the blokes to do their thing.
Nonsense.
It's not your job to resolve this storm in a teacup - it's Anna's, she caused it.
Being unwell & having a lot of time alone to brood has done her no favours here, but she's gone further than feeling slighted: she's weaponised her psych studies to character-assassinate 3 friends because she is jealous & insecure.

That’s the only way to validate to Anna that I ‘agree’ it was wrong for Gemma to have not invited Anna to her birthday.
But I still don’t believe that’s true.
It's not true.
Steve invited you & DH to a couples thing.
It's one social event in many, & instead of being jealous, Anna could choose to grow the fuck up & accept that healthy friendship groups don;t need to operate by Geek Social Fallacies ("the entire group must always attend every function!").

I have tried to imagine what it would feel like the other way around – if I was in Anna’s shoes – and I just don’t think I would have gone off on one like this.
The lecture she subjected you to in the cafe was appalling.
Manipulative, possessive, & frankly batshit.

The loyal thing to do here is try to smooth things over with the vulnerable person who I’ve been friends with for longer, even though it will mean sucking up how I actually feel about the situation.
So why don’t I want to?
Because it's not loyal to indulge a suffering friend in a delusion.
You have loyalty to more people than Anna, & you feeling that you "owe" her a validation of her skewed view of ONE social event shows how hard she has manipulated you.
I think you should tell her - crisply & succinctly - that sometimes different members of friendship groups socialise without involving every member of the group, that this is normal, & that there are no "sides" to take.
You can soften that with an acknowledgement that she's maybe feeling this more keenly than rationally because of how isolating her illness has been.
Then tell her that she's being a bit daft, has got on with Gemma fine up til now, & can get on just fine with her again, at another event, if she prefers to be happy instead of cutting off her nose to spite her face like this.

Am I being unreasonable and disloyal to Anna?
No.
She needs to realise that Gemma isn't excluding her - she is excluding herself by making an issue where there just doesn't need to be one.

I have a wide set of friends, & with 2 of the most local, tend to to socialise in a tight little threesome. Every now & then, 1 pair of that threesome wants to just meet up in a twosome. Every one of us understands that, even sometimes saying "you two haven't caught up for a while, are you happy for me to come along or do you need some one-on-one time?"
THAT is how mature friendships work.
Anna wanting to alienate you from Gemma is not cool.

Tell her you are chalking it up to her illness, but you expect her to snap out of it & not put you in this horrible position again.
How she responds to that is HER choice.
This is not your shitshow to resolve.

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