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To be really fucked off that COVID has become the new millennium bug?

96 replies

PulseFinger · 17/03/2023 09:57

Remember the millennium bug? Yeah, never happened. Not because the threat didn’t exist - the threat was recognised, measures were put in place to prevent catastrophic consequences, years of work was done to ensure information and IT systems were kept safe. But ‘the millennium bug’ became a joke about experts overestimating a threat, about hysteria, about all those silly people who fell for it. Not like us, the genius majority, who knew the whole thing was a load of froth about nothing. Shut up, doom-sayers, you were wrong.

AIBU to think COVID has become this generation’s millennium bug?

The bitterness and bile recently thrown on Mumsnet at anyone who dares to bring up the work they did during the pandemic - junior doctors, for example - has boggled me. It’s not a surprise that people want to put the pandemic behind them - it’s foolish and short-sighted, but it’s what society does. Exactly the same thing happened after the Spanish Flu. Lockdown was shit for the majority and had many, many negative consequences for the economy, people’s mental health, etc. So, I get it - people are bored of talking about it, think it no longer matters to them, want to move on. But the extent to which people are willing to re-write such recent history in order to belittle anyone who doesn’t share their perspective has really taken me by surprise.

As a newly identified virus moving rapidly through the population, SARS-CoV-2 was an unknown quantity in late 2019/early 2020. The response of the WHO to designate it a pandemic and the response of governments to try to control its spread was entirely appropriate. The work of hundreds of thousands of medical professionals meant that the majority emerged from the lockdown periods relatively unscathed in terms of their physical health. Seems like public health policy doing its job, to me.

“Yeah, well, we should have just let old people/the vulnerable/anyone who isn’t me because the sheer power of my ignorance makes me immune to disease DIE, shouldn’t we? Let the rest of us get on with our lives!” WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY, JANET.

The NHS didn’t completely buckle under the strain, which meant significant numbers requiring hospitalisation were able to access treatment. And people are somehow seeing this as proof that we DIDN’T need to be in lockdown? Lunacy.

I’m so fed up with some people, with the benefit of hindsight, minimising the threat posed by COVID. Apart from anything else, it’s fucking insulting to those who died, those suffering with long COVID and related conditions, young people left with lifelong cardiac and respiratory issues, the clinically vulnerable who still have to live with a high level of risk in alongside an increasingly complacent general public. Mavis down the shops is not somehow magically more qualified to comprehend the implications of the unchecked spread of COVID than a swathe of epidemiologists just because she says so and “that’s her opinion!!1!”

If you do disagree, I’m genuinely, grimly fascinated by what you, as an armchair expert on epidemiology and public health, would have advised, in March 2020?

Tldr: a vocal minority (on Mumsnet) persists in claiming that COVID wasn’t a genuine threat to public health; AIBU in wishing they’d stfu?

OP posts:
kindlyensure · 17/03/2023 09:59

Whose Janet? I expect that will set the tone of the replies tbf (on Mumsnet)

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/03/2023 09:59

Lokdowns were a horrific policy that caused all sorts of economic and socil problems which we are still only jut understandign the impact of, there is no shame in admitting that.

Equally it was one of the few tools we had to prevent covid from overwhelming the NHS at the time.

I would hope in future we have better and more responsive pandemic planning to avoid having to inact damaging and shit lockdown policies again.

kindlyensure · 17/03/2023 10:00

*who is?!!!! Gah.

Salverus · 17/03/2023 10:01

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/03/2023 09:59

Lokdowns were a horrific policy that caused all sorts of economic and socil problems which we are still only jut understandign the impact of, there is no shame in admitting that.

Equally it was one of the few tools we had to prevent covid from overwhelming the NHS at the time.

I would hope in future we have better and more responsive pandemic planning to avoid having to inact damaging and shit lockdown policies again.

This.

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/03/2023 10:01

Bascially - our planning and early response to the covid pandemic sucked so we had no choice but to use lockdowns, which are in themselves a policy failure.

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/03/2023 10:02

@Salverus but better spelt! Stupid smart phone keyboard!

Nimbostratus100 · 17/03/2023 10:02

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/03/2023 09:59

Lokdowns were a horrific policy that caused all sorts of economic and socil problems which we are still only jut understandign the impact of, there is no shame in admitting that.

Equally it was one of the few tools we had to prevent covid from overwhelming the NHS at the time.

I would hope in future we have better and more responsive pandemic planning to avoid having to inact damaging and shit lockdown policies again.

lockdowns and quarantine have always been the main and often the only tool to contain infectious disease, and will always be so.

Nimbostratus100 · 17/03/2023 10:03

OP, you are not being unreasonable

BeardyButton · 17/03/2023 10:07

You are right. Covid has made me re think how I view society. I remember at the start, when UK still wasn’t locked down but many other places were (inc Ireland), reading a thread on here. The absolute sheer entitlement phrased in ‘common good’ terms. Of course I should be able to go to the theatre… it’s good for the economy don’t you know. Honestly!

But you ll get short shift on here!

MorrisZapp · 17/03/2023 10:08

Junior doctors facing bitterness and bile? I don't believe this for a second.

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/03/2023 10:08

That is not true though is it? Targetted quarantne of the sick, yes, but not societal lockdown on the scale we had. Modern technology made that possible. In centuries, even decades, gone by most people would still have to leave the house to shop and work, pandemic or no pandemic.

AlmostSummer21 · 17/03/2023 10:09

@PulseFinger you are right.

Also the complacency by many on MN now is alarming too.

MarpleFan · 17/03/2023 10:09

I was talking about this with someone the other day.

A week or so before we went into lockdown, everyone was looking at other countries, who were locking down, and asking why we were simply being told to wash our hands and sing Happy Birthday twice - asking "Why are we not locking down too?" People around me were terrified, especially friends of mine who were clinically vulnerable.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but at the time, it was what the government AND the public thought was in the best interest.

DappledThings · 17/03/2023 10:11

Agree. And yes I think the comparison to Y2K is accurate

ProbablyDogNappersHunX · 17/03/2023 10:13

The only person I know who died during 2020 didn't die of COVID. He was a 22 year old whose cancer treatment was delayed by lockdown. He had a highly treatable form of cancer and was a young man just finishing his degree with a bright future ahead of him, and now he's dead.

I really struggle with the idea that my grandmother's health - she was in her late 90s and we were very close - was prioritised over that of a young man with cancer.

I'm self employed in an industry that got shut down by government, and I fell through all the cracks of government support because I'd switched from paying my taxes by PAYE to self assessment 9 months before lockdown. Banned from working, and ineligible for financial support. My landlord got a mortgage holiday and continued to demand rent in full. I narrowly avoided homelessness.

For me, family and friends, far more damage was done by lockdown than by covid itself.

I opposed lockdown because I simply couldn't afford the consequences. Easy to conflate that with being a conspiracy theorist or anti vaxxer - I'm not, I got jabbed as soon as I was eligible.

There does seem to be a sense of collective amnesia kicking in though - I made a quip to a struggling new entrepreneur about how his first year in business couldn't be any worse than mine. "Why, what happened in 2020?" came the response.

Kazzyhoward · 17/03/2023 10:13

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/03/2023 10:01

Bascially - our planning and early response to the covid pandemic sucked so we had no choice but to use lockdowns, which are in themselves a policy failure.

Who do you mean by "we"? If you mean the UK, what about all the other countries who imposed equally, if not more severe, lockdowns and restrictions?

Wasn't it Italy where you had to carry a paper permit around with you if you went outside to self-declare a genuine reason?

Cornettoninja · 17/03/2023 10:14

Standing on shoulders of giants. That line should be analysed more at school.

Don’t let it eat you up OP. A large proportion of people take it very personally that they don’t know everything and have a hard time accepting that is true for everyone and that others are experienced and educated in things they only have an opinion at best on.

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/03/2023 10:14

We definitely dodged a bullet that, in the main, younger people were not that badly affected by covid.

That is NOT me saying old and vulnerable people don't matter, but generally if a pandemic badly affects the working age population then it is harder for society to to carry on and recover.

lazycats · 17/03/2023 10:14

Remember the millennium bug? Yeah, never happened.

It didn't happen because thousands of engineers around the world prepared for it, genius.

Male101 · 17/03/2023 10:14

How were lockdowns horrific?

people had to stay inside for a little bit with the multiple streaming services, internet ,being paid most of there salaries for doing nothing. it has never been easier to stay in contact with people phone call,txt,facebook messenger,WhatsApp

Not me I still worked, then in the afternoons I went for a drive to go for a long walk with the OH because the weather was glorious. . It was great

DappledThings · 17/03/2023 10:15

lazycats · 17/03/2023 10:14

Remember the millennium bug? Yeah, never happened.

It didn't happen because thousands of engineers around the world prepared for it, genius.

Which is literally the point of her post

Sartre · 17/03/2023 10:15

At the time it was terrifying, most people were petrified into thinking lockdown was the only way to keep safe. I literally only left the house to attend midwife appointments for about five months. I didn’t go in a shop for even longer and the first time I did enter one, it felt like a completely alien thing to do and I almost had a panic attack. I wouldn’t even go on a walk because I was petrified a passerby would give me covid.

Then DC returned to school and we actually got covid and realised it wasn’t a big deal at all for us. Sure, we felt a bit naff for a few days but it really wasn’t a big issue for us whatsoever. Had it countless times now, it’s almost as common as a cold. Really not a big deal, just something we all live with. Lockdowns were a shit policy, quarantine for the sick is a better one and shielding the most vulnerable. Keeping everyone locked away for months was just insane looking back, it never should have happened. Thinking about how little it affects children as well, this was something understood from early on so they definitely shouldn’t have missed out on months of education.

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/03/2023 10:16

@Kazzyhoward By we yes I mean the world genenrally. The WHO thenselves class lockdowns as a policy failure.

That doesn't mean i did not think they needed to happen in March 2020 but generally it is not an optimal long term policy response - as China demonstrated.

Nimbostratus100 · 17/03/2023 10:16

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/03/2023 10:08

That is not true though is it? Targetted quarantne of the sick, yes, but not societal lockdown on the scale we had. Modern technology made that possible. In centuries, even decades, gone by most people would still have to leave the house to shop and work, pandemic or no pandemic.

no, you are wrong, in centuries gone by, wholesale lock down and forms of furlough have always been the gold standard, without any form of modern technology, with signals such as flags on ships and marking on doors and around whole communities. In the black death it was the practice for local parishes to buy the tools of the quarantined, the sick or the dead to give the family an income while there was no work.

CaroleSinger · 17/03/2023 10:17

I think the public reaction was largely influenced by the fact the lockdowns were made a mockery of by the very people who were imposing restrictions upon us. They were clearly ignoring their own restrictions at the time, creating an image that they were not as afraid of this unknown as they wanted us to be. That in my opinion created a lot of dis-trust in what we were being told.

In future I would hope the leaders steering us through a pandemic behave with a slightly greater degree of integrity than the last lot, who are still being fined because they apparently weren't aware households were not allowed to mix and have parties while the Queen sat alone wearing a facemask to say farewell to her husband observing the rules of her own government, and they themselves were busy quaffing champagne.

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