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To Think That Oxfam Should Cancel Themselves

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MrsJamesofSutton · 17/03/2023 08:45

Oxfam have published a New Language Guide (if you google that phrase, there are various news sites and indeed Oxfam's own site) pouring approbation on terms such as 'Mother' , 'biological sex', 'field trip' and even apologising for the fact that the guide is written in English-a colonial language.

There are many more examples-some laughable and some quite frightening.

As Oxfam exists , primarily. to help other nations-many of them non-white-couldn't this be see as a patronising, 'Great White Saviour Organisation' and the next logical step, therefore, is to cancel itself.

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Zuve · 17/03/2023 16:22

Why are they wasting money on this sort of thing instead of helping people in need. They need to get in with helping and not on hand wringing. All that money, on expensive staff writing basically nonsense

Crancod · 17/03/2023 16:23

Y rheswm am fod y Saeson oedd gormeswyr y Cymry
My goodness, so you’re saying that there was a targeted campaign and legislation advanced in order to try to snuff out the Welsh language in favour of English? And this involved the systemic beating of children who were caught speaking Welsh in schools in Wales?

Come off it, next you’ll be telling me that similar attempts to eradicate native languages, and to ‘civilize’ people by forcing them to speak English instead, were made in various countries throughout the British Empire.

FKATondelayo · 17/03/2023 16:28

TidyDancer · 17/03/2023 10:15

This is genuinely one of the worst examples of this shit I've seen in quite a while. They are so out of touch it's unreal.

Do we know much about the joker(s) who actually put this crap together? I'd be taking a very close look at them.

It's quite easy to find the person on Linkedin who is very proud of writing it. And their job title is very emblematic of an organisation that has lost its way and its core purpose.

Choconut · 17/03/2023 16:30

Madness - www.lbc.co.uk/news/oxfam-bizarre-language-guide-sorry-for-using-english/

The charity guide says that words like "headquarters", "local" and even "people" have colonial implications and should be avoided.
Staff were warned that "people who become pregnant" was preferable to "expectant mothers", while "parent" is better than "mother" or "father".
Words related to age like "youth" and "the elderly" were also better off avoided, to allow people to remain dignified, the guide added.
Robert Buckland, the Conservative former justice secretary, said: "Most people will find this particular use of valuable time and resources by Oxfam totally bizarre. It would do them well to remember the old adage that actions speak louder than words."

Choconut · 17/03/2023 16:33

I love how 'people' should be avoided - but 'people who are pregnant' is preferred to anything with mother in it. Total nonsense.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 17/03/2023 16:33

I thought I was the only person who has completely lost faith in Oxfam.

Not so, it seems.

FKATondelayo · 17/03/2023 16:33

I don't know why PPs are disputing the claims about the use of mother. It literally says in the guide 'we avoid mother/father' policy-practice.oxfam.org/resources/inclusive-language-guide-621487/

Crancod · 17/03/2023 16:38

FKATondelayo · 17/03/2023 16:33

I don't know why PPs are disputing the claims about the use of mother. It literally says in the guide 'we avoid mother/father' policy-practice.oxfam.org/resources/inclusive-language-guide-621487/

But it’s specifically in the context of transgender parents, unless they indicate a preference for ‘mother or father’.

“To describe the role in raising children without directly ascribing gendered roles. If trans parents have a preferred specified gender role, such as ‘mother’ or ‘father’, this should be respected. If unsure, it is more inclusive to use ‘parent’.”

“WE AVOID
‘mother’ or ‘father’ (avoid assuming the adoption of gendered roles by transgender parents)”

Crancod · 17/03/2023 16:42

Choconut · 17/03/2023 16:33

I love how 'people' should be avoided - but 'people who are pregnant' is preferred to anything with mother in it. Total nonsense.

Where do they say that the word ‘people’ should be avoided? They use it about 450 times in the leaflet.

EdithHowland · 17/03/2023 16:47

I am just boggling that someone was sitting piously writing this crap and getting paid for it. It might be a nice little fantasy to run up in your spare time if you believe that language should be amended to such an extent (eg like Esperanto).

Heaven knows how many other charities are haemorrhaging precious funds on this kind of drivel.

FKATondelayo · 17/03/2023 16:49

Crancod · 17/03/2023 16:38

But it’s specifically in the context of transgender parents, unless they indicate a preference for ‘mother or father’.

“To describe the role in raising children without directly ascribing gendered roles. If trans parents have a preferred specified gender role, such as ‘mother’ or ‘father’, this should be respected. If unsure, it is more inclusive to use ‘parent’.”

“WE AVOID
‘mother’ or ‘father’ (avoid assuming the adoption of gendered roles by transgender parents)”

That's not true at all. At no point in that section does it state they are talking about trans parents specifically.

The paragraph is called Parent, Parenthood

"To describe the role in raising children without directly ascribing
gendered roles. If trans parents have a preferred specified gender role,
such as ‘mother’ or ‘father’, this should be respected. If unsure, it is
more inclusive to use ‘parent’.

In patriarchal culture, social norms around gender result in designated roles for parents that reflect expectations of that gender. Some transgender and non-binarypeople may identify with these roles. However, some may prefer to use other names to designate parenthood. The important principle
here is to be inclusive in the broader sense by describing people as ‘parents’, but if individual parents have a preference for a role name, to respect their choice.

WE AVOID ‘mother’ or ‘father’ (avoid assuming the adoption of gendered roles by transgender parents)"

Crancod · 17/03/2023 17:02

FKATondelayo · 17/03/2023 16:49

That's not true at all. At no point in that section does it state they are talking about trans parents specifically.

The paragraph is called Parent, Parenthood

"To describe the role in raising children without directly ascribing
gendered roles. If trans parents have a preferred specified gender role,
such as ‘mother’ or ‘father’, this should be respected. If unsure, it is
more inclusive to use ‘parent’.

In patriarchal culture, social norms around gender result in designated roles for parents that reflect expectations of that gender. Some transgender and non-binarypeople may identify with these roles. However, some may prefer to use other names to designate parenthood. The important principle
here is to be inclusive in the broader sense by describing people as ‘parents’, but if individual parents have a preference for a role name, to respect their choice.

WE AVOID ‘mother’ or ‘father’ (avoid assuming the adoption of gendered roles by transgender parents)"

What part of that is objectionable?

NurseCranesRolodex · 17/03/2023 17:05

thebellagio · 17/03/2023 09:11

Slightly OT but I've never been a fan of Oxfam. I worked on a project many moons ago where a client was making a substantial donation to Oxfam - think £20-25k and they couldn't have been less interested in us. Whenever we asked for feedback/support on this project, we were just constantly told we didn't reach the right "corporate partner" level so we weren't entitled to any support from them

It really opened my eyes to what national corporate charities are like.

Wow. That's shocking but I'm not completely surprised. Time to cancel Oxfam I think.

Bamboux · 17/03/2023 17:09

Whattodonut · 17/03/2023 16:15

I am in no way defending them but that was in 2011. 12 years have passed and I'm pretty sure all charities have bad people in them who take advantage of the vunerable and the access being an air worker gives them. Does that mean all charities should close down? Or just those who are trying to be better now?

I don't know of any other examples of very large charities who have routinely carried out and then covered up such truly horrific acts of abuse using the charity's funds.

It wasn't just in Haiti and it wasn't a few bad apples. This was systematic rape, child abuse, and cover ups.

Bamboux · 17/03/2023 17:10

14 June
Haiti announces it is withdrawing Oxfam GB’s right to operate in the country “for violation of Haitian law and serious violation of the principle of the dignity of the human beings”.

I mean that's fairly serious. That was in 2018, not 11 years ago.

endofthelinefinally · 17/03/2023 17:12

I remember hearing about Oxfam's awful reputation over 30 years ago. How they are still going is beyond me.

Naunet · 17/03/2023 17:12

They’re a disgusting, misogynistic, rapey, hypocritical organisation. Should be closed down.

FKATondelayo · 17/03/2023 17:20

Crancod · 17/03/2023 17:02

What part of that is objectionable?

A mother is a female parent, a father is a male parent. If my husband decided to transition he wouldn't be our kids mother. A person who gives birth is a mother, regardless of whether they have a wispy beard.

Language should be simple and describe facts. And that goes a hundred times over for any setting that Oxfam operates in where there are multiple languages being spoken by people who may not have fluent English, people who are under pressure who use words to quickly and accurately convey meaning.

Crancod · 17/03/2023 17:34

FKATondelayo · 17/03/2023 17:20

A mother is a female parent, a father is a male parent. If my husband decided to transition he wouldn't be our kids mother. A person who gives birth is a mother, regardless of whether they have a wispy beard.

Language should be simple and describe facts. And that goes a hundred times over for any setting that Oxfam operates in where there are multiple languages being spoken by people who may not have fluent English, people who are under pressure who use words to quickly and accurately convey meaning.

“A mother is a female parent, a father is a male parent. If my husband decided to transition he wouldn't be our kids mother. A person who gives birth is a mother, regardless of whether they have a wispy beard.”
So if the parents are a lesbian couple, the ‘person who gives birth’ is the mother? What’s the other person?

Defaulting to ‘parent’ where gender references are not necessary makes sense to me.

I also note that, in the context of pregnancy, Oxfam’s preferred language is ‘pregnant women’, so we’re not exactly in the realms of ‘uterus-havers’.

ColdHandsHotHead · 17/03/2023 17:35

Lockheart · 17/03/2023 09:10

Have you tried not using this "New Language Guide"? I'd just ignore it myself.

Exactly. All organisations have this sort of style guide. If you don't work for them, why are you worried about it? Just get on with your life.

DevilinaCardigan · 17/03/2023 17:45

I’m so confused. I’m not a cunning linguist but I’m pretty sure most , if not all, languages have words for mother and father.
Also, I’m guessing people who are in need of help from oxfam have much larger concerns than being called mother or father.

Transgenderism seems to be a western phenomena. other countries have various third genders but no one believes that they are actually literally women.

FKATondelayo · 17/03/2023 19:37

Crancod · 17/03/2023 17:34

“A mother is a female parent, a father is a male parent. If my husband decided to transition he wouldn't be our kids mother. A person who gives birth is a mother, regardless of whether they have a wispy beard.”
So if the parents are a lesbian couple, the ‘person who gives birth’ is the mother? What’s the other person?

Defaulting to ‘parent’ where gender references are not necessary makes sense to me.

I also note that, in the context of pregnancy, Oxfam’s preferred language is ‘pregnant women’, so we’re not exactly in the realms of ‘uterus-havers’.

Lesbian parents are both mothers, just like I said. The mother is the female parent. Someone who gives birth is a mother. Both females, one of whom gives birth.

But agree with you about gender - unnecessary ever to reference it. Sex is the relevant category.

Whattodonut · 17/03/2023 20:43

ColdHandsHotHead · 17/03/2023 17:35

Exactly. All organisations have this sort of style guide. If you don't work for them, why are you worried about it? Just get on with your life.

They really do. Its the equivalent of a linguistical style guide. Any publisher would have that.
I'm very shrug about this outrage. You can hate Oxfam but this document is so inoffensive that those trying to critique it here are tying themselves in knots

flaffydaffy · 17/03/2023 20:51

FKATondelayo · 17/03/2023 19:37

Lesbian parents are both mothers, just like I said. The mother is the female parent. Someone who gives birth is a mother. Both females, one of whom gives birth.

But agree with you about gender - unnecessary ever to reference it. Sex is the relevant category.

That's a bit jumbled. Is being a mother about being female or about giving birth?

110APiccadilly · 17/03/2023 20:56

kikedog · 17/03/2023 10:13

They also say English is a language of oppression, I might start sending them a lot of correspondance in welsh so they can spend translation fees...

Syniad gwych!