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Leaving job and not working notice period

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BlueLagoon5 · 10/03/2023 10:07

Posting for traffic as I'm hoping someone can help me on this.

I started a new job on Monday and I don't like it there already. The job role is completely different to what I was told/what was advertised. The training has been non existent and I've been left on my own since yesterday as the manager and another colleague are off, whilst the other is working from home due to the weather. I've got emails/phone calls coming in and have no idea what I'm doing. The manager isn't particularly very nice either. I've already witnessed her snap and shout at another colleague (on my second day and third day) and apparently this is not unusual. It's making me anxious, like I'm too scared to ask a question in case she snaps at me. She hasn't yet but I'm sure it's only because it's my first week. It is only a temporary 12 month cover role any way.

My plan is to email her tonight when I get home with my resignation/one weeks notice, but I really really don't want to go back next week. In the contract it states that the company can withhold wages if the employee doesn't work their notice period and the company suffers a financial loss as a result - if they have to pay someone else to cover their duties etc. If I was to phone in sick on Monday and just drag it out for the entire week, would that still stand? I'm hoping they just mean when someone walks out.

I have enough savings to tie me over until I find something else but it would be helpful to be paid for the work that I've done this week (around £500 I think), plus I've spent money on travel.

Any advice would be appreciated.
TIA

OP posts:
hot2trotter · 11/03/2023 15:24

Frabbits · 10/03/2023 11:00

The point being, that presumably this company doesn't exist in a vacuum.

People who are shit employees get a reputation.

As do people who are shit managers!

Liz1tummypain · 11/03/2023 15:54

Just go in and let the crappiness wash over you. What;s the worst that can happen? You can't lose your job. If she shouts at you, you can tell her that's why you're leaving. All the best.

wineisallyouneed · 11/03/2023 16:04

walkies123 · 10/03/2023 14:14

OP life is just way too short for this shit! You've made your mind up that you're not going back so resign and go on sick leave during your notice. You have to do what works best for you

How wonderful for all the posters giving you a hard time that they've never had a shit job or a shit manager!

I agree people on here have never had a job so crap within hours of starting . I had a job I hated it I did my notice well actually I gave 2 weeks because I said I needed to go but in all honesty I wish i quit on the first day as the place was toxic.
ignore people on here if you’ve some savings you could even temp if you needed. Life is too short use your energy finding a much better job and good luck .

Theo1756 · 11/03/2023 16:12

When resigning, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to ask if you can leave immediately as you have had little training so far and won’t be that useful. Your manager will probably agree as knows you won’t be much help and probably contribute to the toxic culture already there. But if they insist and you refuse to work or fake sickness the employer are perfectly in their rights to withhold wages (assuming that’s what you signed in your contract). If your manager is the HR manager and a bully I would think this likely.

ClaireStandishsLipstick · 11/03/2023 16:21

BlueLagoon5 · 10/03/2023 10:19

Just to be clear - even if the manager wasn't a bully, I wouldn't stay any way. The job role isn't what I signed up for.

You’ve not had any training so in actuality with the lack of guidance you have received how do you know that the job is not as described. You need to speak with your manager or HR. Why wouldn’t you question the job description and what they are asking you to do? You’re worried that the manager is going to shout at you for asking questions when they haven’t so far? Just give it a proper chance or resign, don’t phone in sick as that’s pointless and unprofessional.

FiddleLeaf · 11/03/2023 16:27

Work your notice and if she shouts enjoy the show. You could even fight back.

There’s no reason to be scared of this power hungry loser.

321gogogo · 11/03/2023 16:29

Different opinion here OP, but if you are sure after a week that it's not the job for you, be honest.
Email the manager, and explain you are resigning with immediate effect. Say it's because the role isn't what you were expecting, and you don't rant to waste the company's time and money investing in training you when you won't be staying.
Yes you may have to take the hit on the wages from last week. However you can walk away knowing you tried it, and left them in the best way possible.

ThinWomansBrain · 11/03/2023 16:47

fair enough to leace straight away - I can't see how the can not pay you for the week 'worked' (assuming you've not spent all of it posting on MN). Not sure if you're expecting to be paid sick leave for your second?
Hope you just left & said not returning.
Good luck with finding a better role/workplace.

ACynicalDad · 11/03/2023 16:51

Resign and if you can’t face it see if you can get yourself signed off with stress for the week. Up to 5 days you can probably do yourself.

stuckdownahole · 11/03/2023 16:51

In practical terms you have no interest in continuing with the job and resigning won't affect you as you will just leave this job off your CV. The only question at this stage is whether you get paid or not.

On that basis, I would go in on Monday and resign in person. Assuming it's a big enough place to have an HR department, speak to them and explain that you feel it would be pointless to work a week's notice as you haven't been trained to do anything yet, so would just be sitting there watching the clock for five days.

Offer to spend an hour or two completing any outstanding tasks (which sounds as though it won't take very long) on the understanding you will be paid for last week only.

If they still insist on you staying until next Friday then play the system - amble through Monday, take a very long lunch break, leave on the dot of finishing time and then call in sick on Tuesday. They would deserve it for being so stupid.

If any of your planned interviews next week are on Monday then this won't work.

FamilyLife2point4 · 11/03/2023 16:51

@BlueLagoon5 can I firstly say - well done you for protecting your mental health. It sounds like a toxic abuse environment.

you could pop a letter of resignation in, explaining that the lack of training and hostile environment has impacted your mental health & you don’t feel you can return but don’t want to leave them short etc - however, they may not pay you, esp as youre off on other interviews.
I’m not sure which country you are in, I’m pretty certain EU and UK laws, it’s illegal to withhold wages irrespective of contract says that - phone acas to check.

MarvellousMrsMouse01 · 11/03/2023 16:55

There is no shame in putting yourself before a company if your health is at stake. The company will survive. Just ensure you resign respectfully and professionally - be honest about the job role not being what was expected. It doesn't sound like they invested anything in you last week so you won't have been contributing much this week. Their inconvenience will be in having to look to replace you, but they'd have to do that with or without you working a weeks notice which is no time at all!

piesforever · 11/03/2023 18:27

Phone in sick with stress. You are stressed, it's not a lie. And definitely leave.

DurdleLau · 12/03/2023 07:55

I would definitely be leaving if I feel that the workplace wasn’t for me, however I would like to think I was professional enough to either work my notice and just put it down to experience or have an adult conversation with the manager, tell them I’m leaving now and why. They might look upon you in a better light than if you just go off sick.

ThuMuClu · 12/03/2023 08:43

No one here can tell you what your employer will do, or how difficult they will make it for you to get the money you’re owed. If you want to leave and not work notice for your mental well-being, just do it, and accept that you might need to look at the money as the cost of your mental health, or that you might wait a while to get it.

Notamum12345577 · 12/03/2023 09:00

Your assuming she is on UC?

bumblebee1987 · 12/03/2023 11:05

I'm shocked by the replies here. The notice period is literally there for THEIR convenience, not yours. If they have been as crap as you say and not given adequate training and created what sounds like a pretty toxic environment, then you owe them nothing. It is nothing to do with being professional or putting your big girl pants on as some people have delightfully suggested. The job isn't as advertised and isn't a nice environment with adequate support. You owe them nothing. They aren't upholding their end of the deal here. Life is too short to be stuck in a job like that, even for a week. I am a business owner, so I am not speaking from an angle of no experience.

BlueLagoon5 · 12/03/2023 12:49

@ClaireStandishsLipstick I did ask her this the other day. Am I responsible for X, Y, Z (as stated in the job ad and interview) and she said no, that the managers generally take care of those tasks. I have answered another poster who asked in what way is the role different.

OP posts:
bluegreygreen · 12/03/2023 13:19

Someone earlier in the thread said that there was no obligation for OP to be professional, given how unprofessional the employer had been.

When I'm at work, I am professional primarily for me. Whether my employer is professional or not has no impact on my standards of behaviour.

Hoppinggreen · 12/03/2023 15:52

bluegreygreen · 12/03/2023 13:19

Someone earlier in the thread said that there was no obligation for OP to be professional, given how unprofessional the employer had been.

When I'm at work, I am professional primarily for me. Whether my employer is professional or not has no impact on my standards of behaviour.

Exactly.
I have worked with unprofessional people before and I have always behaved in a way I think is right, no matter what they were doing.
I am in no way a door mat and I fight my corner - but in a professional way

MrsRaspberry · 13/03/2023 09:51

To be fair its gonna look suss that you resign then use your notice period to call in sick. I dunno how it works but i dont think making yourself available for interviews whilst on sick leave is normally allowed either in most places. I get you don't like the job but if you're really not planning to work a notice period at least be honest about it and say you need the week off to interview elsewhere rather than fake being ill all week. They can't really not pay you for the work you've already done mind but still it'd be nice to give them fair warning that you're not coming in

HaveTheDayOff · 13/03/2023 20:04

I’ve been in your position before. I followed the rules and regretted it. If I was to do it again I’d email my notice and call in on Monday sick/faking an emergency/ family death/ etc.

AlisonDonut · 13/03/2023 20:32

MrsRaspberry · 13/03/2023 09:51

To be fair its gonna look suss that you resign then use your notice period to call in sick. I dunno how it works but i dont think making yourself available for interviews whilst on sick leave is normally allowed either in most places. I get you don't like the job but if you're really not planning to work a notice period at least be honest about it and say you need the week off to interview elsewhere rather than fake being ill all week. They can't really not pay you for the work you've already done mind but still it'd be nice to give them fair warning that you're not coming in

Yes the job detectives will view this as extremely 'suss' and will come around and chastise you OP. You might get a 'black mark' on your 'copybook' and get on the list of norty people who had the temerity to leave a job before they let you.

sarah419 · 13/03/2023 20:49

During probation the notice period is only there to protect the employee. If i was in your position I would do work until they pay me and then email to say it’s not working out and you won’t be able to work the notice period.

Hillary17 · 13/03/2023 21:10

I’ve absolutely done this before. Hated the job, wasn’t what I signed up for and honestly couldn’t imagine working the notice period. When I emailed them, they agreed there was no point me working the notice, wasn’t even trained yet. I was still paid but it was a big company. I’d do exactly the same as you if they kick up a fuss and call in sick. You’re entitled to be paid..

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