Page 17 | No real mental health crisis from pandemic

Nimbostratus100 · 2023-03-09T08:41:26+00:00

Confirmed by BMJ, after surveys across high income countries across Europe and ASia This doesn't surprise me in the slightest, despite a myriad of anecdotal accounts on MN and in some other places. I know I asked many hundreds of children myself, and found more enjoyed and benefited from lockdown than suffered because of it, and mental health charities knew at the time that suicide rates were falling, which has later been confirmed. Some people's mental health deteriorated in the lockdowns. Some people's improved. Overall, there was a small rise in mild/moderate mental health problems being reported, while suicides decreased. Can we stop blaming the pandemic and lockdown for poor mental health across the board now, but particularly in schools.

Botw1 · 09/03/2023 15:52

@alloalloallo

I still can't get over people thinking like that. How is that an acceptable opinion?

Sm was rife with it. Smug twats up to their eyeballs in self righteousness.

The belief that not a single death from covid was acceptable but countless deaths in the avoidance of covid were

Utter madness

WestwardHo1 · 09/03/2023 15:57

People were dying and that was more important.

Oh yes the "People are DYING!" refrain. If you mentioned that yes, people die every day, you were called all sorts of things.

It's what that crazed police officer in Rotherham was telling a father as she ordered him to get his kids inside as they played in their front garden. "1000 people died yesterday". Yes and how will my children not being outside help prevent this?

It was so utterly fucked up.

(Link for those who are saying those kind of things didn't happen.)

Moonicorn · 09/03/2023 15:58

Tinybrother · 09/03/2023 15:29

I didn’t say anything about being unfit or dangerous, what made you read that into the word “troubled”?

but let’s hope the OP keeps their belief that the study supports their views to themselves at work, because at best they’ll look a bit silly

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Because feeling ‘troubled’ about her having certain views is very thought polic-y, I assumed you would only feel that way if you thought it would impact her work?

OutOfChocolate · 09/03/2023 16:28

Our local park had swings tied up. But a Councillor friend told me they only did it because insurance company said they had to but they kind of hoped people would just untie and free the swings. Which they did.

Plirtle · 09/03/2023 16:40

Botw1 · 09/03/2023 15:52

@alloalloallo

I still can't get over people thinking like that. How is that an acceptable opinion?

Sm was rife with it. Smug twats up to their eyeballs in self righteousness.

The belief that not a single death from covid was acceptable but countless deaths in the avoidance of covid were

Utter madness

It was awful

Plirtle · 09/03/2023 16:42

WestwardHo1 · 09/03/2023 15:57

People were dying and that was more important.

Oh yes the "People are DYING!" refrain. If you mentioned that yes, people die every day, you were called all sorts of things.

It's what that crazed police officer in Rotherham was telling a father as she ordered him to get his kids inside as they played in their front garden. "1000 people died yesterday". Yes and how will my children not being outside help prevent this?

It was so utterly fucked up.

(Link for those who are saying those kind of things didn't happen.)

And those poor women who got arrested going for a walk outside because they had a takeaway coffee.

No wonder Wayne couzens got high on his own supply.

CuriousMama · 09/03/2023 18:11

Plirtle · 09/03/2023 16:42

And those poor women who got arrested going for a walk outside because they had a takeaway coffee.

No wonder Wayne couzens got high on his own supply.

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Ia that the same old ladies who were arrested sitting on a bench?
I met a couple of lads arrested out cycling.
Fucked up doesn't touch it 🙈🤬

CuriousMama · 09/03/2023 18:11

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YouOKHun · 09/03/2023 18:13

TimandGinger · 09/03/2023 14:08

If it was such a bit threat, why did the politicians not follow the rules? there's food for thought.
I never stopped seeing my elderly parents. They're still alive, even though my mum was in poor health.

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Yep, I was really careful but where my elderly parents were concerned I broke the rules regularly throughout. I didn’t feel I had a choice. I know they could not have coped physically, mentally or practically on their own. when it came to Christmas 2020 there was just no way I was leaving my elderly parents on their own. My DF was dying and he knew it would be his last Christmas. So we “broke the rules” and they came to us for Christmas. My mum was terrified of being spotted by a neighbour. I worried about it but I can honestly say that my “unlawful” contact with them is the thing I regret least about the whole pandemic.

It was only later I realised that when I’d been worrying over a series of visits to them for various emergencies during a tier 3 lockdown, at the same time members of our Government were gathering for Christmas knees ups in the office or shagging their colleague on the quiet before going home to their family.

I’m not a sensitive flower but the injustice of that still makes me cry.

UndertheCedartree · 09/03/2023 18:15

Rhondaa · 09/03/2023 14:45

'They did nothing to protect those in care homes.'

I'm sorry for your loss, however you yourself have just said they banned visits. That was to protect those in care homes.

I can't quite understand how folk say in one breath we couldn't visit them then in the next say nothing was done to protect them.

The poster was refering to the fact that elderly people were sent back to Care Homes with Covid which then obviously ripped through them in particular as the staff had no PPE. It's not much good banning visitors and then doing that. The elderly were not protected due to those actions.

CuriousMama · 09/03/2023 18:19

I don't think locking people inside in summer when they weren't getting vitamin D helped. But the elderly in care homes were well and truly shafted.
I work in support and our service users were going out for walks. All survived.

UndertheCedartree · 09/03/2023 18:20

EmmaEmerald · 09/03/2023 15:01

I can't believe people are still arguing this.

People on here accused me of making it up, it was on the local news and on the local websites, but even when I linked, I was told I was a liar.

lockdown brought out the cruel callous side for people who already had it and wanted to lord it over others.

now I am cruel and callous to lockdown supporters. Eye for an eye etc.

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All our playgrounds were locked and didn't open again for a very long time.

Tinybrother · 09/03/2023 18:23

Moonicorn · 09/03/2023 15:58

Because feeling ‘troubled’ about her having certain views is very thought polic-y, I assumed you would only feel that way if you thought it would impact her work?

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Not troubled by her views. By her inability to read the research and understand it and belief that it supports her views. Note I said nothing about voicing the views themselves at work, if you have then jumping to conclusions (just like the OP?) you might have understood my point. But nice try with the “thought police-y” stuff.

Wishawisha · 09/03/2023 18:27

EmmaEmerald · 09/03/2023 15:01

I can't believe people are still arguing this.

People on here accused me of making it up, it was on the local news and on the local websites, but even when I linked, I was told I was a liar.

lockdown brought out the cruel callous side for people who already had it and wanted to lord it over others.

now I am cruel and callous to lockdown supporters. Eye for an eye etc.

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You are absolutely right. I have photos of it still on my phone.

Of course big green areas were still open but benches were cornered off. I remember panicking when out for our daily walk my DC would tire out and want to sit down on a bench and I was terrified that I’d be arrested… which seems ridiculous now.

The playgrounds were shut for quite a while. The swings were chained together or removed. So you could go out but they’d make it as hard as possible for your children to have a good time.

Parenting without access even to a bloody playground was bloody hard work.

gkhg · 09/03/2023 18:30

Well I have ptsd from the pandemic. They didn't ask everyone so I don't understand how that study can be valid in anyway. Not everyone with mental health issues goes through the nhs. The nhs do a grand total of fuck all for mental health issues

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Nimbostratus100 · 09/03/2023 18:30

Theluggage15 · 09/03/2023 15:48

You just sound like a lockdown nutter OP. Sorry life’s back to normal. Your meta analysis is a load of complete bull.

well, it isn't my meta analysis, and it is the biggest and most robust accurate picture of reality - true that it doesn't conform to the narrative that has been pushed and enforced through social media for the last few years

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gkhg · 09/03/2023 18:31

Sorry- it wasnt an nhs survey I gather?

MarshaBradyo · 09/03/2023 18:35

Nimbostratus100 · 09/03/2023 18:30

well, it isn't my meta analysis, and it is the biggest and most robust accurate picture of reality - true that it doesn't conform to the narrative that has been pushed and enforced through social media for the last few years

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Have you adjusted your view yet on who and when?

I know posters can be stubborn but wilful blindness is bonkers.

L1ttledrummergirl · 09/03/2023 18:55

I spent the afternoon at the funeral of a friends 22 year old dc who never recovered from lockdown.

That is a real mental health crisis. One person is one person too many.

FloorWipes · 09/03/2023 18:57

Wait hang on one second now. The study says:
"All studies assessed covid-19 symptoms during at least one time point in 2020, which in most cases was in the first half of the year. Only three studies assessed symptoms in the first months of the pandemic (March to June 2020) and again in late 2020 (September to November), and only one reported results from 2021."
So we are primarily talking about what happened in the first half of 2020. Seems like this offers fairly limited information on the overall impact then.

And that's only one of the many limitations.

What did you want from this OP?

megletthesecond · 09/03/2023 19:03

We were talking about how we missed lockdown at work the other day. And we WFH through it so were isolated.

Lovelydovey · 09/03/2023 19:05

So why are CAMHS so overwhelmed then. Our local area is struggling with both funding cuts and a massive increase in referrals.

My now 11 year old came out of this with severe anxiety - including separation anxiety - and severe OCD around germs. Pretty sure that is the result of losing two grandparents to covid within weeks of each other, and losing a third a few months after that (not covid but not being able to say goodbye due to restrictions). Combined with being at home during all of that period and witnessing far more parental stress than he should have.

Thats an anecdote rather than data - but I’m sure there are many other similar stories around.

WestwardHo1 · 09/03/2023 19:16

There were accounts weren't there of little kids being petrified of clouds of flying gnats, thinking they were the "virus particles".

carriedout · 09/03/2023 19:28

Lovelydovey · 09/03/2023 19:05

So why are CAMHS so overwhelmed then. Our local area is struggling with both funding cuts and a massive increase in referrals.

My now 11 year old came out of this with severe anxiety - including separation anxiety - and severe OCD around germs. Pretty sure that is the result of losing two grandparents to covid within weeks of each other, and losing a third a few months after that (not covid but not being able to say goodbye due to restrictions). Combined with being at home during all of that period and witnessing far more parental stress than he should have.

Thats an anecdote rather than data - but I’m sure there are many other similar stories around.

Underfunding is the root cause of the CAMHS problems. CAMHS was underfunded before, it is underfunded now. But other underfunding impacts too.

Not all of the referrals are COVID related - as a population gets poorer, as we have been doing for 13 years now, mental health issues increase. As health care gets rationed, as it is now, parents suffer and this impacts mental health in the family. As police are defunded, crime increases and trauma causes more mental health problems.

I sometimes find I do not have the words to describe how angry I am about all teh lives ruined by the Tory underfunding of services.

FloorWipes · 09/03/2023 19:30

OP just go and explain your motivation for posting this. Do you think as a result of this study we should change something? Do you think for example that our approach to the current mental health crisis is being carried out in the wrong way because we are falsely assuming it's linked to the pandemic when it's not? Do you think we should have locked down longer since this suggests it was positive? Or what are you trying to say exactly? I really want to understand what your aims were here.