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Are you intelligent? How do you gauge intelligence?

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Terrifiedofwastingmylife · 07/03/2023 16:12

Sure, there are different kinds of intelligence so there will be many answers to this question. But I am interested in how people define intelligence? Are you comfortable in your intelligence?

I do not feel intelligent, according to any definition of it. My brain seems to have really slowed over the last decade, I find it very difficult to learn new systems (I get almost mentally paralysed from fear and stress) and struggle to retain information. I sometimes worry if I'm in the early stages of vascular dementia, which would obviously be different from not having any raw intelligence to begin with. But perhaps I've always been like this, I've just not realised before, and it's nothing to do with dementia.

Anyway, whatever the cause I mostly feel the opposite of intelligent - I can't even work out in my fuzzy brain what it even means anymore.

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containsnuts · 07/03/2023 18:04

I'm educated to postgrad level but consider myself pretty thick actually. I'm slow to learn and rubbish thinking on my feet. I have zero ability to explain my ideas or thought processes so I sound really quite vacant a lot of the time. However, I have a good memory, I'm interested in a variety of topics and I love to learn. I have no problem admitting that I dont know something which is something other people struggle with. I think it holds them back and they never learn anything new because they think they know it all already. I dont think I'm more intellgent than them, just more open to learning.

StopStartStop · 07/03/2023 18:06

mensa test iq 156. autistic with slow processing... I've always believed myself to be 'intelligent' but couldn't now prove it!

HaveTheDayOff · 07/03/2023 18:12

I think I’m a bit thick. But I have a nice accent, large vocabulary and confidence. The world has been my oyster because of the assumptions other people make.

autienotnaughty · 07/03/2023 18:13

I have above average intelligence 0 common sense

Poepourri · 07/03/2023 18:22

I feel like you OP, that I struggle with new systems. I'm no good with learning things via Teams calls , much prefer face to face.
I do get frustrated that I'll work out how to do something, then if I don't have to do it for eg 6 months , I have to start again as it doesn't stick.

I know ppl who score very highly in iq tests but aren't good at writing essays or what I call reading comprehension, I would say I am good at that.

Bookist · 07/03/2023 18:29

I think there's only one type of intelligence. It's a combination of good IQ, excellent memory, fast processing skills. I went to university but consider myself very average among my friends and family who are also graduates. But when I step outside my social circle I do notice that many people don't process information or make the correct connections nearly as fast as me.

Tratjymp · 07/03/2023 18:32

I don't know, but I'm sitting here reading this, which can't be a good sign.

minipie · 07/03/2023 18:33

As others have said intelligent in some ways but not others.

Academically I always did extremely well.
I can read and absorb information fast.
I “get” concepts and arguments very quickly and can think fast on my feet.
I’m articulate and good at presenting and explaining.
I don’t remember facts (except very short term, for exams) and have useless general knowledge.
I’m very disorganised.
I overthink, get anxious and struggle with some fairly basic daily tasks as a result.
I don’t think I read people particularly well.

JetPlanesMeetingInTheAir2BRefuelled · 07/03/2023 18:35

I'm bright, but not intelligent.

I am empathetic and emotionally in tune with others. Tbh that opens doors for me meaning intelligence isn't required. I'm "nice", so friends, acquaintances, teachers and employers are generous with me.

My husband is very intelligent but struggles socially. He can appear stand-offish and superior, but he is enormously good fun. My life is definitely easier than his.

5128gap · 07/03/2023 18:41

I think its the ability to understand complex ideas, to use logic to find solutions and to apply learning in an appropriate way.
I don't think how fast you learn is always a factor, as that's often just about memory of the stages of a process. It's the speed of understanding the learning that denotes the intelligence level.

jhiyp96676y · 07/03/2023 19:00

Same as other people - i have a phd and two masters, not sure whether i am intelligent. not sure what it means to be intelligent. but i can definitely tell when i am surrounded by people who are not thick (i know thats not a nice way of putting it). for me it's people who are quick and understand things. however, for the life of me, i cannot follow ikea furniture instructions, find lego pretty hard work (and a tad pointless), have less of a feel for all things maths. it definitely gets harder with age and especially the menopause.

Terrifiedofwastingmylife · 07/03/2023 19:23

I'm bright, but not intelligent.

But what does that mean? I honestly don't understand.

My thread is making me feel even less intelligent Grin

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Terrifiedofwastingmylife · 07/03/2023 19:26

But when I step outside my social circle I do notice that many people don't process information or make the correct connections nearly as fast as me.

I'd be fascinated if somebody could give examples of a situation where they make fast connections, and observe other people going slower.

I'm really slow at learning anything new where there is a series of steps which must happen in a particular sequence. It makes me despair. It's so much worse if somebody is 'teaching' me too as I get really self conscious so fumble and stumble and get stuff wrong and look even more stupid...

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SomersetONeil · 07/03/2023 19:27

Agree, ‘bright’ and ‘intelligent ‘ are synonymous to me.

Remembering that ‘intelligent’ and ‘educated’ do not mean the same thing (one can be one without the other).

Terrifiedofwastingmylife · 07/03/2023 19:27

Interesting how many people have mentioned the menopause as throwing a spanner in the works re learning speed and memory. Not looking forward to even more bs.

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Terrifiedofwastingmylife · 07/03/2023 19:36

Remembering that ‘intelligent’ and ‘educated’ do not mean the same thing (one can be one without the other)

Very much agree with this.

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Newstartonwards · 07/03/2023 19:39

I have 14 GCSEs at A and 5 A levels at A grade. I have three degrees - one a first class degree, one distinction postgraduate and one another postgraduate degree.

am I intelligent - at certain things yes, my subject yes, I have forgotten more than most people with learn.

Can I speak a language - yes I could order a drink and say please and thank you

I knew bugger all
about abuse, narcissists or emotional intelligence.
I know sweet FA about cooking and the arts

intelligence is a yard stick meant to determine where people are.

on my office I have Einstein’s quote ‘ Everyone is a genius. If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will spend its whole life thinking it is stupid’

iq tests are also developed by those that have a certain idea of intelligence as are verbal and non verbal reasoning.

let’s actually call it what it is - a made up concept we look at seals using tools to open clams and say patronisingly aren’t they clever - we don’t mean that - we are judging them by our signs of intelligence as recognise by humans eg numbers, language, writing, use of tools etc

but look at ants - much better system?

we need to value everyone and realise they are all unique in terms of intelligence or brilliance and help them achieve their potential

the most intelligent person I know has no GCSEs, no grades and no degrees but he knows everything about everything - or at least it seems that way to me, he can talk to anyone, fix anything etc

the most intelligent person on paper that I know is my father - an abusive self absorbed narcissistic man who has no friends now he has retired and no interests and no hobbies - he can’t talk to anyone and he’s vile. Emotional intelligence 0.

OMG12 · 07/03/2023 19:39

I have a very high IQ, I’m great at some things, rubbish at others. I suspect my ADHD has an impact both ways.

I would say that the ability to critically analyse information is key, ability to grasp concepts, apply the concepts to different situations, including ones which are not directly comparable to previous ones, see the same thing from different perspectives, ability to provide original or non standard arguments. Being able to manipulate information and apply it.

Intelligent people often seem to know a lot but the retention of knowledge is not the marker, it’s incidental to the curious nature of intellectual people.

Groutyonehereagain · 07/03/2023 19:44

I have a string of A grade qualifications, a diploma, a degree and a masters in education. My DH has a handful of CSEs, yet he is the clever one. He can fix things, he retains useful information, and he’s extremely creative. He can come up with solutions and think out of the box.

CrotchetyCrocheting · 07/03/2023 19:44

I dont think I'm particularly intelligent, probably about average but I have fast processing skills, can suss out situations and find solutions quickly. My dh is the opposite he is intelligent but pretty slow processing skills(he is autistic if that makes a difference). I think most people have something about them, whether it's book smarts or good with people etc, it's just a matter of playing to your skills.

OMG12 · 07/03/2023 19:48

NomadicSpirit · 07/03/2023 17:50

I've reached an age quite a few people don't reach, I have a partner and children that love me and cats that just about tolerate me. I have a well-respected (most of the time 😀) job which means I can keep a roof over our heads and food on the table (not enough according to the cats). I think that makes me intelligent enough.

I left school with almost nothing and when I realised that I actually wasn't as thick as school taught me to believe I was, I studied for and got a BSc through the OU. That taught me I was cleverer than I thought.

I still try to keep learning and I am learning mandarin (on and off) and the violin (the cats are the only ones that appreciate that as I sound like them with it). I am still learning for work, but it does feel like it takes longer and is harder. I don't know if that's the case, but I think it's tied to all the other crap that is going on in my life these days. I try and cut as much "noise" out of my life as I can and I meditate which helps me focus.

There are people still getting degrees in their 90's, so it's possible to keep learning, I think we get out of the habit and we get tired.

I think this is very true. Physical health is increasingly seen as something we need to concentrate on as we get older. We should also be encouraged to keep in learning things to keep our minds active and agile.

Fairislefandango · 07/03/2023 19:52

I'm academically intelligent with an Oxbridge degree. I'm quick at understanding and learning new things and have a very good memory (though slightly less good at 51 than when I was younger!).

But... only in the areas I'm good at. I'm a linguist and am terrible with numbers, spatial awareness, directions, maps, physical memory etc. But I'm very good at remembering anything as long as it's in words!

I'd be fascinated if somebody could give examples of a situation where they make fast connections, and observe other people going slower.

If I'm in a training session or discussing something a bit complex in a meeting, I tend to get it, and think of ideas, before many other people. I'm not always quick at learning new technological things though. Also, as a teacher, I see both fast and slow processing, very noticeably, all the time in my students. Teaching grammar really shows up the relative mental agility and acuity of my students!

JetPlanesMeetingInTheAir2BRefuelled · 07/03/2023 20:00

I guess to me, bright means engaged in the world around me, a critical thinker and open-minded to learning new things. Intelligence I guess is more about having actual skills or knowledge😂But maybe they are the same, or adjacent.

Timesawastin · 07/03/2023 20:10

Snoopystick · 07/03/2023 16:54

Difficult my DS has what I think would be called high social intelligence - he’s got the gift of the gab and talk to anyone about anything. He’s just been to Cambridge Uni on a school trip and it’s made him not want to apply. He tried to speak to various people and none of them could even look him in the eye, bearing in mind they will all have been incredibly academic and intelligent.

Doesn't sound like anyone with whom I went to Cambridge...sounds like confirmation bias to me.

IHateFlies · 07/03/2023 20:14

I'm a great problem solver and always seemed to be the one who could figure out the puzzles first on those team building excursions or I'd be given some number problem at work to sort out and I'd do it fairly quickly when others couldn't get it.
I'm also a good out of the box thinker.
But, I don't understand theory and can't get stuff just reading it. I only really understand processes and instructions once I actually do it.
Written down, it's hard for me to make sense of it.
I don't know if that's intelligence or not.

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