To think that 8 years in a grossly inadequate sentence for double rape?

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Well am I? Out in 4 with good behaviour? It just seems like nothing.

Exactly! @MichelleScarn

The ONLY thing that I thought was Really Good was that the Judge so very clearly pointed out that the defendant was NOT the Victim here. Perfectly put.

I don't want to go into details as it is an ongoing case but something similar is currently happening near to me (geographically). I was very pleased to see that Reporters & Police were referrring to Him, who goes by the name of (her).
But, I will be interested to see what the sentence is, when the time comes.

This whole case has been a mockery of "justice" since it began.

It's also highlighted again the very important need for a distinction to be made between biological sex and gender (even a GRC which this man can obtain by "living as a woman" eg wearing pink leggings and a fucking wig). Anyone concerned about this rapist being allowed access to women in single sex facilities in four years time can show their concern by adding their signature to this petition (government website so your details aren't made public/shared).

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/623243

(MNHQ please don't delete this post as I know there is a thread in Petitions but this is hugely relevant to this case and I'm drawing it to womens' attention to protect ourselves and our DDs from this man amongst others.

Women don’t matter.

And don’t forget that it’s much, much worse to be accused of rape than it is to be raped.

OK then, how would one / society set about having sentencing guidelines changed? I am aware that this is the work of many years btw. You see I actually don't think that this sentence is so short because the perpetrator claims to be trans, I think it's short because the rape of women just isn't seem as that much of a deal.

@gelatogina, I agree this is a possibility, but having represented many sex offenders at parole hearings, many of them who went to trial can't or won't accept what they did and therefore can't complete what is required and can't demonstrate a low risk.

The judge said that him being ‘vulnerable’ was no excuse and the women he raped were far more vulnerable (or words to that effect). There was a clip played on the R4 news this morning.

It will be interesting to see if any detransitioning takes place now that he won’t be in prison with women.

It did make me roll my eyes a bit when the following story was about a woman who posed as a psychiatrist who got 7 years in prison. Surely she was just being her true self?

It's unsurprising. Women don't matter. Most rapes don't even get to conviction stage.

What is concerning is that the lead runner for the SNP leadership supports Self ID this means that on release 'Isla' will be treated as a woman if that's what Isla wants. No one will be able to question it.

Tell me how this is not a predators charter? Isla has no issue with imposing on women before conviction

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-64430756

It’s no surprise. No one gives a fuck about us cervix owners/womb carriers/breeders/ bleeders/wimbin- whatever we are today. We’ve got to keep fighting and defending ourselves. No one is going to do this for us. They’re all over us when they want to stop our rights to make decisions over our own bodies and our access to safe spaces. That should tell you everything you need to know about what the world thinks of us wimbins. Men can rape us and use dyslexia as an excuse. Meanwhile, a housewife in the Home Counties can be arrested by 4 coppers for misgendering (a man) on Twitter while she’s cooking the tea. Make of that what you will.

Is it still the case that members of the public can request a sentence be looked at again if it seems unduly lenient? Think it's the Attorney General who looks at it, off to do some research........

They are basically legalising it with poor prosecution levels and nominal sentences when they do.

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Sadly, I think it's BOTH !!

I noticed NS specifically said 'Cornton Vale' NOT 'any women's prison accommodation'. Very different.

There have been a worrying number of cases where the judge has decided not to impose a prison sentence or given a lighter sentence purely because the perpetrator identifies as trans. The judges have confirmed this in their summing up.

This includes male born trans people convicted of paedophilia, sex offences and even a violent hammer attack.

I think this rapist getting 8 years is probably the best we could expect and most likely due to the level of public scrutiny.

None of which arcane ridiculousness in the system negates the fact that it is a scandalously short sentence.

And sentencing guidelines are written with the aim of keeping the prison population down to save money. Never mind the false economy of a system that releases people far too early for any chance of reform to happen.

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None of which arcane ridiculousness in the system negates the fact that it is a scandalously short sentence.

I agree.

I hope I took this out of context but I thought the judge said something about the women being raped in their own home/s where they could expect to be safe.

This seemed to me to imply that if he'd raped them in the street it wouldn't have been a serious.

As I say, I hope I've missed something and that's not what the judge meant at all.

I think he just means they’ve suffered additional psychological injury. Being raped/ assaulted in what should be your safe space compounds trauma because you can’t escape it. Whereas if the same thing happened elsewhere you can retreat to your safe space to recover if that makes sense?

How will he live his true self if the prison uniform isn't available in bright pink?

I don't know why it wasn't done consecutively since it was two different incidents. Concurrent sentencing might be justified for incidents on the same occasion but that wasn't what happened.

All the radio news bulletins yesterday kept referring to him as she/her- he's not a fucking woman!

Oh come on it's literal violence to misgender a rapist!

Eight years is nothing to what the women who he raped will have to endure.

I've noticed they have stopped posting photos of his leggings.

@LexMitior I'd initially thought it was 8 years for each rape. Is there a similar discount for good behaviour in the Scottish system as there is in the UK?

If you look in the Urban dictionary the term s/h/it is an abbreviation for she/he/it and perhaps this is an occasion where using the abbreviation is appropriate.