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As a teacher to be surprised at how many in my class have SEN?

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Floatingcactus · 25/02/2023 09:01

I teach a reception class of 26. 4 of them have an EHCP plan, 6 are waiting assessment and at least another 4 are showing possible signs of SEN including speech delay.

I’ve been teaching for 10 years and I personally believe there is an increase.
I don’t know if lockdown plays a part or whether it’s down to other factors.

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helpfulperson · 25/02/2023 10:04

Many things have changed over the past couple of decades. Older average age of parents, interventions in conception. We don't know yet what long term and intergenerational impacts these may have. Medical advances mean many children with severe and complex needs who would not have survived in previous generations.

ApplePippa · 25/02/2023 10:04

"I’m a big fan of children being bored, doing low stimulation activities like jigsaws and reading, and frankly not seeing screens as the answer to a moment’s boredom. I don’t plan much for our weekends due to DD being in nursery full time, we just do puzzles, play with toys, I’ll sit and have a coffee or chat on the phone while she makes up some game with her teddies. We go for walks with our dog and she ‘helps’ with household tasks"

@Moonicorn I've no idea what your experience of pre-schoolers with SEN is, but do you realise that those of us with autistic children spend our entire lives trying to provide low stimulation environments for them? Our children get very stressed by the sensory nightmare that is life for them, and the idea that their problems stem from over scheduling and too much screen time is quite frankly insulting.

Also, I could never have done low stimulation activities you describe above with my D'S when he was a pre-schooler. (For starters, he had no imaginary play.)

2reefsin30knots · 25/02/2023 10:04

One of the issues (amongst many) is that, in primary at least, the curriculum is not age-appropriate. We expect far too much of young children. There is intense pressure to make all children jump the bar so if they are struggling they get put in more and more intervention. Many of them just can't keep up and become overloaded and disengaged, which we then label as a behavioural problem.

Fancysauce · 25/02/2023 10:06

Someo · 25/02/2023 10:00

@Fancysauce ADHD isn't just about being a bit hyperactive. 🙄

Obviously parenting can play a massive part, believe me it'll be questioned when going through the assessment process. My son has SEN, his main area being cognitive need. We have done parenting courses which have done diddly squat. It was clear from a young age he wasn't meeting milestones at the expected age.

It's infuriating to read that some people believe that can be caused by them watching TV.

There is a lot more we need to find out about SEN. Until then people find it easier to blame parenting. Lockdown has definitely played a part, we don't even have a local baby clinic anymore. There's barely anything. Everything has been cut.

Did you mean to tag me? I know adhd isn't just about hyperactivity but moonicorn seems to think it is.

I know what it is, i have it and now i have a diagnosis i can clearly see all the millions of tiny ways it affects my entire life, every activity and every social interaction.

Moonicorn · 25/02/2023 10:06

@ApplePippa absolutely, my post was mainly referring to ADHD.

MrsWombat · 25/02/2023 10:06

Increased awareness.
Less stigma.
Lockdown and covid triggering environmental issues in children with neurodivergent genes, or lockdown.
Lockdown and covid making parents more aware of their children because of no school and working from home.
Adult women are being late diagnosed with autism and adhd and then looking at their children for diagnosis.

JustAnotherDayInNorfolk · 25/02/2023 10:07

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I work in a primary school and the above is spot on.

Mums1234 · 25/02/2023 10:07

I don't know anything about SEN but why would lockdown affect the rising numbers?

Willyoujustbequiet · 25/02/2023 10:08

YouOKHun · 25/02/2023 10:02

ADHD is not just hyperactivity. The diagnosis could be hyperactive but there are other sub-types in a modern diagnosis; inattentive, impulsive or combined. The focus on hyperactivity is why so many girls are missed as they tend to fall into the inattentive sub-type. Are you including those subtypes in your assertion that ADHD is “caused” by screen time? I’m not saying lots of screen time is a good thing but I don’t think you understand what ADHD is.

Well said. There is such misunderstanding around ADHD.

Phineyj · 25/02/2023 10:08

I can only speak for my own experience but screens do seem to have a regulating effect on DD after a long day at school.

She does watch videos but she also builds stuff in Minecraft (amazing stuff!) and video calls friends.

We also watch stuff together and talk about it. We have watched hundreds of episodes of CBBC's The Dumping Ground and had a lot of useful discussions about behaviours and emotional states ("Why do you think she's upset?")

OnBoardTheHeartOfGold · 25/02/2023 10:08

There is research to show that spending time outdoors reduces adhd symptoms.
A lot of dcs spend too much time indoors on screens and not enough outdoors running around. I've noticed that boys are looked down on if they're too boisterous and can't behave in class. They may just need a different environment or more time to expel that energy and engage in a different way.
Some research also shows that some trauma as a baby can also affect a natural development.
I'm not denying that it exists but it could be managed differently and symptoms can be reduced.

StressedToTheMaxxx · 25/02/2023 10:08

MeMyCatsAndMyBooks · 25/02/2023 09:12

No it hasn't. It's near on impossible to get a ECHP, can't see the councils lowering the bar to have to fork out more money if anything it's harder now than what it was ten years ago.

But getting a diagnosis of SEN and getting an ECHP are different things.

I would have to agree that the bar has definitely lowered massively as to what SEN is.

Moonicorn · 25/02/2023 10:09

Fancysauce · 25/02/2023 10:06

Did you mean to tag me? I know adhd isn't just about hyperactivity but moonicorn seems to think it is.

I know what it is, i have it and now i have a diagnosis i can clearly see all the millions of tiny ways it affects my entire life, every activity and every social interaction.

I don’t think it’s ALL screens or ALL parenting. But I think they can exacerbate traits that are already there and tip them from ‘personality’ to ‘diagnosis’.

With respect though, everybody has ways in which they struggle. NT people aren’t fleshy robots who seamlessly navigate the world without ever an awkward or forgetful moment, they’re just painted as such. It’s normal and human to have flaws, strengths, things you don’t like for no particular reason.

Gloriousgardener11 · 25/02/2023 10:10

Yes I agree OP.
There does seem to be a steady increase in children starting school with obvious SEND needs - often not picked up by parents, health professionals, nurseries etc.
The need is high this year and looks likely to increase with the September intake.
No idea why, wasn't like this 20 years ago and it can't all be blamed on COVID - what is happening in our society ?

Fancysauce · 25/02/2023 10:10

Moonicorn · 25/02/2023 10:09

I don’t think it’s ALL screens or ALL parenting. But I think they can exacerbate traits that are already there and tip them from ‘personality’ to ‘diagnosis’.

With respect though, everybody has ways in which they struggle. NT people aren’t fleshy robots who seamlessly navigate the world without ever an awkward or forgetful moment, they’re just painted as such. It’s normal and human to have flaws, strengths, things you don’t like for no particular reason.

And i think you don't know what adhd is.

Charley50 · 25/02/2023 10:11

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I was wondering what is the impact of so many opportunities for interaction with babies being missed by handing them a phone. This must impact with delays in some children.

Someo · 25/02/2023 10:11

Fancysauce · 25/02/2023 10:06

Did you mean to tag me? I know adhd isn't just about hyperactivity but moonicorn seems to think it is.

I know what it is, i have it and now i have a diagnosis i can clearly see all the millions of tiny ways it affects my entire life, every activity and every social interaction.

Sorry @Fancysauce no I didn't mean to. 🤦‍♀️

mdh2020 · 25/02/2023 10:12

knowing how difficult it is to get a EHCP , I’m amazed that 4 in the class have one and 6 are waiting. That aside=de, there seems to be an increased awareness of issues and a rush to label children,

Moonicorn · 25/02/2023 10:14

Fancysauce · 25/02/2023 10:10

And i think you don't know what adhd is.

I do. I have read about it extensively and it was suggested I had it just as I was about to leave school!

Rainbowdrops2021 · 25/02/2023 10:15

I don’t think it’s down to more awareness. I’m not sure what is causing it but there are definitely more SEN children. My ds is autistic and my niece is and I can see my young nephew is likely to be diagnosed too. These aren’t little quirks they literally don’t understand what people say without pictures, they have speech delay and need one on one help with everything. I wouldn’t change my son for the world but I would love to know what is causes autism as he has been brought up in the same environment as his sister who isn’t on the spectrum.

Ballcactus · 25/02/2023 10:16

Moonicorn · 25/02/2023 09:12

Not in terms of the help you then receive. I mean in terms of earmarking children as SEN to start with, or what triggers a diagnosis process. Things like ASD and ADHD seem to have widened their symptom net so much that virtually any personality trait now falls into it in some form.

This is a very ignorant reply.

Moonicorn · 25/02/2023 10:17

Ballcactus · 25/02/2023 10:16

This is a very ignorant reply.

Why?

SoonBeTeaTime · 25/02/2023 10:17

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Rainbowdrops2021 · 25/02/2023 10:17

some People will say that parents just want to label their children but we aren’t talking little quirks here or a bit of behavioural problems we are talking about real learning disabilities and they are 100 % on the rise in my opinion.

Willyoujustbequiet · 25/02/2023 10:17

Ballcactus · 25/02/2023 10:16

This is a very ignorant reply.

Indeed.

And ableist.

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