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AIBU?

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To think she was insinuating that we are racist?

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Summertimecoming · 15/02/2023 20:20

AIBU? What would you think if your manager said this to you? I'll try and explain as best as I can but I'm a bit worried about outing myself on here.

I work in a small open plan office which has 3 different teams, plus our manager. There is 4 of us on my team and our role involves looking at lots of C.V's every day, from people of all walks of life. Whenever we speak about anything, our manager can hear us (and you can bet she's listening!) as she doesn't sit too far away from our desks. We always discuss applications/CV's with each other, not in a nasty or offensive way but sometimes if we're not sure about progressing with a certain application or in a "this person has applied for a cleaning role but has only ever worked as a maintenance assistant, how strange!" kind of way. This doesn't mean that we automatically reject their application btw, but obviously we wonder why they want a change or if they've just applied accidentally.

We do speak to a lot of people who are rude to us, have sworn on the phone etc but we always stay professional whilst speaking to them. Yes, we might have said "they were really rude" after the call has ended but that's in a private office and the applicants obviously can't hear us. We get a lot of people applying for roles who don't bother to read the job description as well and then only realise that it's not suitable when we phone them. For example, a non driver has applied for a position that requires a drivers licence or they've applied for a position at a location which is miles away from where they live and they have no idea where it is, and didn't bother to Google it before applying. It is frustrating and sometimes we just need a bit of a moan, but we never swear, insult them etc. We all know that's unacceptable.

Anyway, to cut a long story short we had our weekly recruitment meeting this morning and our manager told us that we will be having some training next week as "we need to be careful of what we're saying whilst on the phone to applicants and in the office". She said otherwise it can be taken too far and become inappropriate. She also mentioned that we shouldn't discuss where people are from. The only time we've done this is when we've received an overseas application (and we get these a lot). For example, someone from India has applied for a job in Manchester. It's always the same people as well and they obviously don't think we'll notice that their from a different country and have a different phone number or email address. Again we've never insulted them. or made inappropriate comments, just said how strange it is that it keeps on happening.

She didn't explain what she meant by her comments and we didn't have the guts to ask her as I think we were all just taken aback. Surely she should have used examples to back up what she was saying though?! We came out of the meeting feeling really deflated, upset and like we're all basically shit at our jobs. The one comment that stuck out (and we're all in agreement about this) is when she said about us discussing where people are from. We feel that she was insinuating that we are racist as the only time we've mentioned anything is when it's been an overseas application, and this is only because we can't employ anyone who doesn't reside in the UK.

We all felt on edge for the rest of the day and that we couldn't even talk to each other or ask for advice about an application as we knew she was listening. She's not the best manager anyway and has form for making comments but not really explaining herself, but this has knocked us.

What do you think?

OP posts:
plumduck · 16/02/2023 09:01

JemimaTiggywinkles · 16/02/2023 08:56

This sounds like a perfectly sensible interpretation of what the manager may have meant. But you should have spoken up to ask your manager to clarify, ideally without getting defensive.

Yup. This is probably it.

HoboHotel · 16/02/2023 09:02

Is this today's invitation to the racists to come crawling out again? I think it is.

Happy Thursday.

WiIson · 16/02/2023 09:09

No, I think it's call out racism instruction guidance. There's injustice everywhere. Seek injustice, is it there, dig deeper, call it out👌

HoboHotel · 16/02/2023 09:16

WiIson · 16/02/2023 09:09

No, I think it's call out racism instruction guidance. There's injustice everywhere. Seek injustice, is it there, dig deeper, call it out👌

I wasted quite a lot of time yesterday arguing with racists on here.

I've wasted even more time doing it in real life.

It is ultimately a pretty depressing thing to have to do.

WiIson · 16/02/2023 09:24

Did you dig deep and call it out?

LazyDaisy89 · 16/02/2023 10:04

Why would it be weird for someone from India to apply for a job in Manchester? What makes you think they’re trying to hide where they’re from? My husband is Indian and has literally SO many friends who have moved to the UK to work recently, there is a huge demand for staff since Brexit and they are given visas easily recently, I assume for this reason. They obviously wouldn’t hide where they’re from as they’d need sponsorship for a work visa??? It does seem a bit racist that you think that all foreigners are trying to sneak their way into the country 😂

maddy68 · 16/02/2023 10:11

Why are you discriminating against people from other countries ? They may be looking for work in the UK ?

MajesticWhine · 16/02/2023 10:15

You're overthinking this. It's just a training course. I often have to do stuff like this. Language and attitudes can always be checked / improved. It doesn't sound like an accusation of racism.

Orangeradiorabbit · 16/02/2023 10:48

Worry less about 'being seen as racist', and instead focus on changing the behaviour that has been called out as problematic - this will help you in your career and work relationships.

See it the same as a manager telling a direct report that their breaks are running over, or they aren't meeting productivity requirements. Should that person worry that they are 'seen as lazy' or should they try to move faster, be on time, produce greater quantity of output.

Have a growth mindset, don't think about what a piece of feedback might insinuate about you, learn from the feedback and behave differently next time the opportunity comes up.

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